Re: [lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda
[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com Estimado Alejandro: Probablemente le diría a partir de mis comentarios, que aunque no se ofrecen como propuestas de decisión como, sin embargo, no puedo apoyar las propuestas en juego. En segundo lugar, es para aquellos que están haciendo las propuestas a fin de prepararlos en el el modo y forma establecidos por las Reglas de Procedimiento LACRALO. Y cuando los que se presentan como tales y llega el momento, me opondré en el argumento. Y si una división es llamado por el presidente y su esencia siendo tal como se propone, votaré en contra de ellos. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El lunes, 05 de marzo 2012 a las 3:37 PM, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan@unam.mx
wrote: Carlton,
at this hour I think you will show those values much better by putting concrete proposals on the table, new or old.
A esta hora, creo que el apego a esos valores se muestra mucho mejor poniendo sobre la mesa propuestas concretas, nuevas o viejas.
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________________________________________ Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 05 de marzo de 2012 13:36 Hasta: Vanda UOL CC: Heidi Ullrich; LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment
Dear Vanda: When I saw the proposal and knowing the background on the so-called WG and the several proposals, I had concluded that what was eventually delivered was thorough cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I concluded that for me, the optimal response is that I shall be stuck 'mute of malice'.
Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too share your general concerns with these proposals. And I support the explanations you have provided in almost all their details, including the remedial suggestions.
Your intervention demonstrates a deep understanding of the values we expect a multistakeholder governance model should project and the means by which that could be achieved.
Best, - Carlton
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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote:
Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments. I am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to participate in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you.
Point I have something to say in highlight below.
Thanks
VANDA
Points proposed by one group
My comments
1) the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a minimum level of participation
This is positive
2) working languages expanded to French and Portuguese
I donŽt see need and may be too expensive. But this is not a main concern. ( but I donŽt see APRALO working in the more than 20 languages they have there
3) removes the concept of operating by consensus
From my point of view this is against one of ICANNŽs principle build consensus
4) creation of Vice President
Those persons cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC without the decision of ALAC itself. Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on item 8
5) terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2 years each
This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of learning, so one year is short term indeed. But the second term shall be one year to allow others to participate.
6) creation of Vice Secretariat position
Same of vice president
7) LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as their
respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected ALAC member and their alternate).
I disagree - diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance, is not democratic neither safe for the organization. ( imagine if the two big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must have diversity.
8) The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any inability of the primary ALAC rep
I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the member sent to ALAC meeting is another
9) the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term
Reelection has the same principle 1 year for second term to allow others to participate.
10) creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority.
In my opinion this will mean too much generals and no troops to command but no impact at all.
3 would be good one member of Caribbean region and two from Latin region too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no much members that really works in LACRALO so I donŽt believe it will be groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But not so relevant
11) establishing that elections can take place virtually
This is good, but needs clear tools must be available to avoid one member to vote for all the ALSs under its command - only allow this after check the security of the tool.
12) amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President, Secretary
I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term.
Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks manipulation.
Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate, looks not democratic. ThatŽs the way ditactors use to keeping in place Totally against.
13) The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be approved.
Not so relevant.
Vanda Scartezini
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