Well, now, this is ironic! (Read to the end) A./ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:18 -0500 From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: asmusf@ix.netcom.com This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: ajay@data.in SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<asmusf@ix.netcom.com>: host tls.spamjadoo.com [202.157.83.36]:550 Sender has been blocked due to spam activity ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> Received: from [71.212.94.37] (helo=[192.168.0.5]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>) id 1cbXBp-0004rw-RT for ajay@data.in; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Re : [ajay.uasg@data.in] Re: [UA-discuss] Spam Filtering To: "Dr. AJAY D A T A" <ajay@data.in> References: <1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com> From: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <c8c80f8e-99fb-9069-123b-d60d0c5ec9ee@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 10:42:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2/8/2017 10:08 AM, Dr. AJAY D A T A wrote:
Asmus.. which would mean that you will not treat all domains (ascii / non-ascii) same thus not UA ready.
Am I missing something ?
Correct; in order to keep my forum free from spam, I'm merciless. The forum is for owners of a particular item that was manufactured in the US and sold mainly there, but also in significant numbers in Brazil. Copies are known to exist in Germany, Italy, Guam and Australia. It is not impossible that isolated owners may be found in other locations, but it would be exceptional. Every once in a while, the forum gets hit by spammers. So far, they are invariably linked with certain countries that do not overlap with our user base. That makes filters based on location / country / language / script really attractive (and effective). We do not have the volume that allows us to run a Bayesian filter with any success. We are moderately active forum, which means that even one active spammer able to register can dominate; we found that all the standard deterrents (such as captchas) have unacceptable rates of leakage. So, I'm sad to say, for this particular case, there's absolutely no upside to Universal Acceptance. (At least not until my user base starts registering domains with emojis :) ). A./ PS: actually, I'm not particularly happy with this, because other than surviving spammers, there's no good reason to close off access.
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On 2/8/2017 9:31 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 04:47:52PM +0000, Andre Schappo wrote:
Recently I tested sending email from my DataMail 小山@电邮.在线 to some people on gmail. Mostly they report that my email to them goes into their gmail Spam/Junk folder. I deduce that the gmail spam filtering software is treating chinese/unicode email addresses less favourably than ascii email addresses. That seems like a leap. How many of those people speak Chinese natively?
Most spam systems are Bayesian and have been taught to look for patterns that match other spam. Everyone who has taught gmail to recognize "Han in the headers == spam" will have to un-teach it that. I don`t know about you, but since I`m not a native user of Han characters I have certainly taught my spam filters such rules of thumb.
A Precisely. As a forum admin, I would cheerfully ban all non-ASCII e-mails for registration, because my user base is not world-wide, but the spammers are. Only reason I am not doing that today, is that the software doesn`t know about non-ascii e-mails yet :)
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