On 2019-06-15 05:05, Philip Paeps wrote:

On 2019-06-15 16:15:20 (+0800), Paul Eggert wrote:

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On Thursday, Kjell Ove Hveding, who lives in Sommarøy, Norway (latitude 70°N, population 321), formally petitioned his parliamentarian to abolish civil time in the town. Assuming this becomes law and common practice (which does not appear likely), I suppose we'd need to create a new entry for the region of Norway that switches to having no civil time whatsoever. (The tzdb convention for this is UTC with the abbreviation "-00".) Wouldn't LMT be more appropriate in this (unlikely) situation? Though at that latitude ... umm. :)

Summer/Daylight Saving seems pretty irrelevant above about 50N, as you get plenty of morning and evening daylight, once you're past the spring equinox, and the cloudy weather stops. Imagine further N of 60 time of day is less relevant, except during transition near the equinoxes, as you have either almost continual daylight or dark. Never spent enough time south of 50N to notice if daylight saving makes much difference. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised.

On Jun 26, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Even Scharning <tzdb@time.is> wrote:

NRK.no revealed today that this story was in fact a marketing campaign, hatched by the government-owned Innovation Norway.

That's very disturbing. It's problematic enough that not all governments give timely notice about time zone rule changes. But if in addition we have to deal with government agencies supplying deliberately false information, the TZ work becomes that much more difficult. I wonder if it would make sense for Dr. Eggert to issue a letter of complaint to the Norway government, pointing out the trouble caused by this sort of false information. It might even make sense to state that doing so will cause us to treat future (possibly real) change notices with doubt and not act on them promptly, as we normally would do given that we normally assume government notices are not deliberately false. paul

Even Scharning wrote in <e9840363c6668d334ca02bfc1bf22ad1@time.is>: |On 2019-06-26 16:31, Paul.Koning@dell.com wrote: |>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Even Scharning <tzdb@time.is> wrote: |>> |>> NRK.no revealed today that this story was in fact a marketing |>> campaign, hatched by the government-owned Innovation Norway. |> |> That's very disturbing. It's problematic enough that not all |> governments give timely notice about time zone rule changes. |> |> But if in addition we have to deal with government agencies supplying |> deliberately false information, the TZ work becomes that much more |> difficult. |> |> I wonder if it would make sense for Dr. Eggert to issue a letter of |> complaint to the Norway government, pointing out the trouble caused by |> this sort of false information. It might even make sense to state |> that doing so will cause us to treat future (possibly real) change |> notices with doubt and not act on them promptly, as we normally would |> do given that we normally assume government notices are not |> deliberately false. |> |> paul | |It was rather obvious that this was a publicity stunt, and I think most |media and people reading the story understood that. The reason that the |media still took the bait, was that it made a cute story. The only real |surprise here is that the idea came from a government-owned agency. | |Anyway, I support the suggestion of writing a formal complaint. It would |give even more publicity to my home country. ;) Isn't it enough that you have all that oil and push electric vehicles en gros instead of driving nice eight cylindres as you should? (For what's it worth, the future is fuel cell, and anybody knows this since at least the end of the eighties. It is sheer delirious that we create 1m charge stations first, now. And also, driving along 600 or more kilogram of prescious rare earth we had a hundred years ago in Germany, and the English i think had their milk delivery until not so long ago like that, too.) I liked it. In the 80s we had that "filofax here, filofax there" thing, even earlier Pink Floyd made their stand at the problem, somehow. Why not Norvay know, Papa Koning? --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)