I'm forwarding this message from Alexander Bokovoy; AB is now a subscriber. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bokovoy [mailto:abokovoy@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:06 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Belarus abolishes DST Hello! Moving towards unification with Russia on economical reasons, Republic of Belarus has announced today to cancel daylight saving time rule and don't rewind clocks on last Sunday of October. Here is the news (in Russian): http://gosstandart.gov.by/ru-RU/NewsId.php?UrlRid=550 The decree is N1229 by Belarussian government, dated 2011-09-15, unfortunately, not yet published on pravo.by so I can't reference it. If I'm not mistaken, the change would make Europe/Minsk zone look like: # Belarus # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Europe/Minsk 1:50:16 - LMT 1880 1:50 - MMT 1924 May 2 # Minsk Mean Time 2:00 - EET 1930 Jun 21 3:00 - MSK 1941 Jun 28 1:00 C-Eur CE%sT 1944 Jul 3 3:00 Russia MSK/MSD 1990 3:00 - MSK 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 2:00 1:00 EEST 1991 Sep 29 2:00s 2:00 - EET 1992 Mar 29 0:00s 2:00 1:00 EEST 1992 Sep 27 0:00s 2:00 Russia EE%sT 2011 Sep 15 3:00 - EET -- / Alexander Bokovoy
For the same reason the "KALT" designation was created for Kaliningrad (because +03:00 is not generally equivalent to EET), we should probably use something like "MINT" (or alternatively, since Belarus currently has only one zone, "BYT"). Also, I feel it might be more logical to effect this change on the date of the last clock change, 27 March 2011. Regardless of when the actual decrees were enacted, I doubt the average person in Belarus perceived any "change" in timekeeping on 15 September 2011. -- Tim Parenti On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:35, Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] < olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> wrote:
I'm forwarding this message from Alexander Bokovoy; AB is now a subscriber.
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-----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bokovoy [mailto:abokovoy@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:06 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Belarus abolishes DST
Hello!
Moving towards unification with Russia on economical reasons, Republic of Belarus has announced today to cancel daylight saving time rule and don't rewind clocks on last Sunday of October.
Here is the news (in Russian): http://gosstandart.gov.by/ru-RU/NewsId.php?UrlRid=550
The decree is N1229 by Belarussian government, dated 2011-09-15, unfortunately, not yet published on pravo.by so I can't reference it.
If I'm not mistaken, the change would make Europe/Minsk zone look like:
# Belarus # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Europe/Minsk 1:50:16 - LMT 1880 1:50 - MMT 1924 May 2 # Minsk Mean Time 2:00 - EET 1930 Jun 21 3:00 - MSK 1941 Jun 28 1:00 C-Eur CE%sT 1944 Jul 3 3:00 Russia MSK/MSD 1990 3:00 - MSK 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 2:00 1:00 EEST 1991 Sep 29 2:00s 2:00 - EET 1992 Mar 29 0:00s 2:00 1:00 EEST 1992 Sep 27 0:00s 2:00 Russia EE%sT 2011 Sep 15 3:00 - EET
-- / Alexander Bokovoy
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Tim Parenti wrote:
For the same reason the "KALT" designation was created for Kaliningrad (because +03:00 is not generally equivalent to EET), we should probably use something like "MINT" (or alternatively, since Belarus currently has only one zone, "BYT").
Also, I feel it might be more logical to effect this change on the date of the last clock change, 27 March 2011. Regardless of when the actual decrees were enacted, I doubt the average person in Belarus perceived any "change" in timekeeping on 15 September 2011. Agreed.
We discussed this yesterday with Kirill Shutsemov as well and I also proposed BYT as zone's name. -- / Alexander Bokovoy
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Alexander Bokovoy <abokovoy@redhat.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Tim Parenti wrote:
For the same reason the "KALT" designation was created for Kaliningrad (because +03:00 is not generally equivalent to EET), we should probably use something like "MINT" (or alternatively, since Belarus currently has only one zone, "BYT").
And when Ukraine starts using the same as Belarus will they be re-united under one abbreviation? http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/ukraine-cancel-dst.html What about using EEST for Belarus and avoiding inventing new codes? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Tobias Conradi wrote:
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Alexander Bokovoy <abokovoy@redhat.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011, Tim Parenti wrote:
For the same reason the "KALT" designation was created for Kaliningrad (because +03:00 is not generally equivalent to EET), we should probably use something like "MINT" (or alternatively, since Belarus currently has only one zone, "BYT").
And when Ukraine starts using the same as Belarus will they be re-united under one abbreviation?
http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/ukraine-cancel-dst.html
What about using EEST for Belarus and avoiding inventing new codes? That was my original thought (though I by error marked EET in the proposed change). Baltic countries and Finland are continuing to use EET/EEST and observe DST changes so talking about time zone, we'll get a bit confused state.
Here is current state of the proposal in Verhovna Rada: http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb_n/webproc4_1?id=&pf3511=40036 (Still stuck at first review). The science and education committee responsible for the proposal argues that Ukraine should follow EET instead of EEST and while political scene heading towards "Moscow trend", the actual decision is not yet made -- according to http://money.comments.ua/fair/2011/09/09/286746/ukraintsev-zastavyat-rabotat... and http://life.comments.ua/2011/09/14/288071/minzdrav-vsled-regionami.html there is still discussion whether moving from winter time makes sense. Minister of Healthcare is opposing choosing EEST time. We may stuck with Belarus selecting EEST, Ukraine taking EET, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland continuing to observe DST and alternate between EET/EEST. At this stage I'm not sure using same naming would help to maintain clarity... -- / Alexander Bokovoy
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Alexander Bokovoy <abokovoy@redhat.com> wrote:
We may stuck with Belarus selecting EEST, Ukraine taking EET, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland continuing to observe DST and alternate between EET/EEST.
At this stage I'm not sure using same naming would help to maintain clarity... For comparison:
"We may stuck with Belarus selecting BYT, Ukraine taking UAT, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland continuing to observe DST and alternate between EET/EEST." i.e. one would be confronted with four abbreviations instead of two and would not know that they only represent two offsets from UTC. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi
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