Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:16:11 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@davros.org> Message-ID: <20111020131611.GD27386@davros.org> In a message that started out on another thread I don't want to get involved with ... | While it would be nice if they sent us updates, we can't force them. That's true, but I kind of suspect, that we have never even asked. I had been wondering about that, and considering doming something about it, for months now - and just possibly "considering" is all it would ever have been, however, perhaps we should attempt a little better than that. Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have. If people think this is a reasonable idea then I will implement it. Note: I don't much care if you expect it to actually succeed - if it fails, it has cost almost nothing, but if anyone can see an actual negative possibility from this, then I'd like to hear about it. Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.) That I cannot do, so I'd need assistance with translation into French (and anything else suggested as a good idea) - and that assistance needs to be from a fluent (native) speaker I believe, not someone who learned the language in school. Any volunteers? (It won't be very long.) kre
Can I be removed from this dist list please? -----Original Message----- From: tz-bounces@iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of Robert Elz Sent: 21 October 2011 08:15 To: tz@iana.org Subject: [tz] Attempting to get speedier tz updates Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:16:11 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather" <clive@davros.org> Message-ID: <20111020131611.GD27386@davros.org> In a message that started out on another thread I don't want to get involved with ... | While it would be nice if they sent us updates, we can't force them. That's true, but I kind of suspect, that we have never even asked. I had been wondering about that, and considering doming something about it, for months now - and just possibly "considering" is all it would ever have been, however, perhaps we should attempt a little better than that. Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have. If people think this is a reasonable idea then I will implement it. Note: I don't much care if you expect it to actually succeed - if it fails, it has cost almost nothing, but if anyone can see an actual negative possibility from this, then I'd like to hear about it. Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.) That I cannot do, so I'd need assistance with translation into French (and anything else suggested as a good idea) - and that assistance needs to be from a fluent (native) speaker I believe, not someone who learned the language in school. Any volunteers? (It won't be very long.) kre
Robert Elz said:
Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have.
I think this is a good idea, with one rider. You might find it's more likely to work if you ask your own government to submit the request; in other words, they're more likely to listen to a member state than a (to them) random member of the public. I don't know how much work that will be for you.
Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.)
I'm pretty sure we have native Russian and Spanish speakers on the list. I have Chinese colleagues who I can ask whether they can do a Mandarin translation, though I make no promises. I don't know any Arabic speakers, but some of my Israeli colleagues may.
That I cannot do, so I'd need assistance with translation into French (and anything else suggested as a good idea) - and that assistance needs to be from a fluent (native) speaker I believe, not someone who learned the language in school.
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De: "Robert Elz" <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> À: tz@iana.org Envoyé: Vendredi 21 Octobre 2011 09:15:29 Objet: [tz] Attempting to get speedier tz updates
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Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have.
If people think this is a reasonable idea then I will implement it. Note: I don't much care if you expect it to actually succeed - if it fails, it has cost almost nothing, but if anyone can see an actual negative possibility from this, then I'd like to hear about it.
From my understanding of the last few years listening that list, 'best effort' is sometime the only way to answer in time, particulary to answer some last minute law change that happen in some countries. That does not preclude it should be possible to receive an authoritative answer in timely matter in other countries.
Maybe if an authoritative entity is identified but does not answer in time for an update, that may create some frustration if updated database does not wait that authority formal anwser.
Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.) That I cannot do, so I'd need assistance with translation into French (and anything else suggested as a good idea) - and that assistance needs to be from a fluent (native) speaker I believe, not someone who learned the language in school. Any volunteers? (It won't be very long.)
kre
I should understand enought english to be able to write the french translation. Gilles
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 09:15, Robert Elz <kre@munnari.oz.au> wrote:
Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have.
If people think this is a reasonable idea then I will implement it.
This sounds like a reasonable idea to me, and worth a try.
Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.)
English and French are the two sole working languages of the UN Secretariat ( http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/languages.shtml ). Having it in those two would probably be a good start. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
On 10/21/2011 12:15 AM, Robert Elz wrote:
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:16:11 +0100 From: "Clive D.W. Feather"<clive@davros.org> Message-ID:<20111020131611.GD27386@davros.org>
In a message that started out on another thread I don't want to get involved with ...
| While it would be nice if they sent us updates, we can't force them.
That's true, but I kind of suspect, that we have never even asked.
Actually since I already have most of this list - we built it for our operations at USTiming.ORG we might be persuaded to provide a copy of the contact model to the TZ operations. What I would propose is the creation of a CONTACTS LIST I-D which I and our team can work with KRE and Group Management on the submission. It and a formal practice model for how to contact these parties would be appropriate for this endeavor and I will take responsibility for that as a deliverable if the group would allow that. Todd
I had been wondering about that, and considering doming something about it, for months now - and just possibly "considering" is all it would ever have been, however, perhaps we should attempt a little better than that.
Attempting to contact everyone responsible, directly, would be a lot of work, just identifying the parties involved, so I thought it might be possible to take an easier route, and just ask the UN to do the contact work for us - that is, we write to the UN Secretary General, and ask that the message be redistributed to all member states - the message being a request that they ask whoever (whatever agency) is responsible for actually implementing time issues, to please inform us of any planned or actual changes - and perhaps, if they're able, any historical data they have.
If people think this is a reasonable idea then I will implement it. Note: I don't much care if you expect it to actually succeed - if it fails, it has cost almost nothing, but if anyone can see an actual negative possibility from this, then I'd like to hear about it.
Also, while I'm happy to draft (and circulate to the list before sending) the letter involved, it would probably be nice from the UN's viewpoint, if we could send in both English and French (and anything else? I doubt we need to consider attempting all 6 official languages.) That I cannot do, so I'd need assistance with translation into French (and anything else suggested as a good idea) - and that assistance needs to be from a fluent (native) speaker I believe, not someone who learned the language in school. Any volunteers? (It won't be very long.)
kre
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