AP & WFLA-TV: Florida House OKs bill asking to skip Daylight Saving Time
http://wfla.com/2018/02/14/florida-house-oks-bill-asking-to-skip-daylight-sa... "The [Florida] House voted 103-11 to approve the bill to ask Congress to let Florida remain in Daylight Saving Time all year, meaning while the rest of the Eastern United States sets their clocks back in the fall, Florida wouldn't." Regards, F
So, if I understand this, the portion of the panhandle currently in the Central time zone would be permanently on CDT (=EST), while the remainder of the state would be on permanent EDT (=AST)? That essentially adds a brand new border all the way around the state of Florida, which would involve being an hour out of sync with every foreign neighbor (e.g. the Bahamas & Cuba, as well as with every US State and Canadian Province in the Central and Eastern time zones. So during standard time, if traveling from Miami to Nassau, you'd actually go BACK an hour. This sounds certain to cause great confusion, not to mention the disruption of commerce. I wonder what the odds are that the US Feds will approve it. Steve Jones [image: Emacs!] On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Vance, Frank <Frank_Vance@bmc.com> wrote:
http://wfla.com/2018/02/14/florida-house-oks-bill-asking- to-skip-daylight-saving-time/
“The [Florida] House voted 103-11 to approve the bill to ask Congress to let Florida remain in Daylight Saving Time all year, meaning while the rest of the Eastern United States sets their clocks back in the fall, Florida wouldn’t.”
Regards,
F
I would question disruption to commerce, but it would definitely be cause confusion. On February 17, 2018 4:15:47 PM EST, Steve Jones <stevejones@ontimezone.com> wrote:
So, if I understand this, the portion of the panhandle currently in the Central time zone would be permanently on CDT (=EST), while the remainder of the state would be on permanent EDT (=AST)?
That essentially adds a brand new border all the way around the state of Florida, which would involve being an hour out of sync with every foreign neighbor (e.g. the Bahamas & Cuba, as well as with every US State and Canadian Province in the Central and Eastern time zones. So during standard time, if traveling from Miami to Nassau, you'd actually go BACK an hour.
This sounds certain to cause great confusion, not to mention the disruption of commerce. I wonder what the odds are that the US Feds will approve it.
Steve Jones [image: Emacs!]
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Vance, Frank <Frank_Vance@bmc.com> wrote:
http://wfla.com/2018/02/14/florida-house-oks-bill-asking- to-skip-daylight-saving-time/
“The [Florida] House voted 103-11 to approve the bill to ask Congress
to
let Florida remain in Daylight Saving Time all year, meaning while the rest of the Eastern United States sets their clocks back in the fall, Florida wouldn’t.”
Regards,
F
-- John M. Harris, Jr. <johnmh@splentity.com> CTO, Splentity Sent from my mobile device. Please excuse my brevity.
On 2018-02-17 14:22, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
On February 17, 2018 4:15:47 PM EST, Steve Jones wrote:>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Frank Vance wrote:>> http://wfla.com/2018/02/14/florida-house-oks-bill-asking-to-skip-daylight-sa...
“The [Florida] House voted 103-11 to approve the bill to ask Congress to let Florida remain in Daylight Saving Time all year, meaning while the rest of the Eastern United States sets their clocks back in the fall, Florida wouldn’t.” So, if I understand this, the portion of the panhandle currently in the Central time zone would be permanently on CDT (=EST), while the remainder of the state would be on permanent EDT (=AST)?> That essentially adds a brand new border all the way around the state of Florida, which would involve being an hour out of sync with every foreign neighbor (e.g. the Bahamas & Cuba, as well as with every US State and Canadian Province in the Central and Eastern time zones. So during standard time, if traveling from Miami to Nassau, you'd actually go BACK an hour.> This sounds certain to cause great confusion, not to mention the disruption of commerce. I wonder what the odds are that the US Feds will approve it. I would question disruption to commerce, but it would definitely cause confusion. Given AZ, HI, PR, VI have no DST, PR and VI are on AST, the DoC may not be able to block it if the state wants it, it may encourage the few other Caribbean nations who still use it to drop it, and some to switch to AST.
-- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
It's important to understand the diverse culture and related impacts in Florida**, I.e., it very much has a lot to do with synchronizing with the Caribbean, including for business reasons (especially given travel from/to, services shared between, etc... ). It also has to do with the realities of the sun in Florida, much like many New England states are looking at as well (like MA). . Most Floridians, especially business leaders (among other communities), have been talking about this for years. - bjs <off-topic> **P. S. Despite demonizations in the US media (that may be replicated internationally), Florida's legislative leadership is very much in-tune with the makeup and views of their constituents on these matters. I won't go into the reasons why that's often at odds with representation in the media. </off-topic> On Saturday, February 17, 2018, Brian Inglis < Brian.Inglis@systematicsw.ab.ca> wrote:
On 2018-02-17 14:22, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote:
On February 17, 2018 4:15:47 PM EST, Steve Jones wrote:>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Frank Vance wrote:>> http://wfla.com/2018/02/14/florida-house-oks-bill-asking- to-skip-daylight-saving-time/
“The [Florida] House voted 103-11 to approve the bill to ask Congress to let Florida remain in Daylight Saving Time all year, meaning while the rest of the Eastern United States sets their clocks back in the fall, Florida wouldn’t.” So, if I understand this, the portion of the panhandle currently in the Central time zone would be permanently on CDT (=EST), while the remainder of the state would be on permanent EDT (=AST)?> That essentially adds a brand new border all the way around the state of Florida, which would involve being an hour out of sync with every foreign neighbor (e.g. the Bahamas & Cuba, as well as with every US State and Canadian Province in the Central and Eastern time zones. So during standard time, if traveling from Miami to Nassau, you'd actually go BACK an hour.> This sounds certain to cause great confusion, not to mention the disruption of commerce. I wonder what the odds are that the US Feds will approve it. I would question disruption to commerce, but it would definitely cause confusion. Given AZ, HI, PR, VI have no DST, PR and VI are on AST, the DoC may not be able to block it if the state wants it, it may encourage the few other Caribbean nations who still use it to drop it, and some to switch to AST.
-- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
-- DISCLAIMER: _This message may have been composed on a mobile device without a physical keyboard and/or with auto-correct enabled using a limiting display that inhibits full review._ -- Bryan J Smith (bjs) http//linkedin.com/in/bjsmith b.j.smith at IEEE.org - me at bjsmith.me
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Bryan Smith <b.j.smith@ieee.org> wrote:
...it very much has a lot to do with synchronizing with the Caribbean, including for business reasons (especially given travel from/to, services shared between, etc...
That would make sense, except for the fact the proposed change takes them out of sync with their nearest Carribbean neighbors (Bahamas and Cuba), and puts them in sync with that portion of the Carribean that is farthest from Florida (Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and Trinidad and Tobago. Steve Jones [image: Emacs!]
On 2018-02-22 20:34, Steve Jones wrote:
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Bryan Smith wrote:
...it very much has a lot to do with synchronizing with the Caribbean, including for business reasons (especially given travel from/to, services shared between, etc...
That would make sense, except for the fact the proposed change takes them out of sync with their nearest Carribbean neighbors (Bahamas and Cuba), and puts them in sync with that portion of the Carribean that is farthest from Florida (Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and Trinidad and Tobago.
IIRC from previous hurricane impact coverage, the US Jones ;^> Act requires PR marine trade to transit from US ports on US ships: that may be a big factor; however I doubt Cuban trade is. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, Brian Inglis wrote:
IIRC from previous hurricane impact coverage, the US Jones ;^> Act requires PR marine trade to transit from US ports on US ships: that may be a big factor; however I doubt Cuban trade is.
The Jones Act applies to trade between US ports (ie, intra-US trade), and requires such trade to be conducted by US-registered ships with US crew. It does not apply to international trade. So yes, it would apply to PR <--> Florida trade. But as we all know, ships-at-sea (in "international waters") have their own time-keeping rules... (Written as the former skipper of a private US-registered motor vessel on trans-pacific journey...) +------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------+ | Paul Goyette | PGP Key fingerprint: | E-mail addresses: | | (Retired) | FA29 0E3B 35AF E8AE 6651 | paul at whooppee dot com | | Kernel Developer | 0786 F758 55DE 53BA 7731 | pgoyette at netbsd dot org | +------------------+--------------------------+----------------------------+
Steve Jones wrote:
if I understand this, the portion of the panhandle currently in the Central time zone would be permanently on CDT (=EST), while the remainder of the state would be on permanent EDT (=AST)?
Yes, that's the current proposal. If we followed past procedure, we'd use EST and AST for the two new regions' time zone abbreviations, which would be consistent with what the Massachusetts and other legislatures are proposing. This might lead to further confusion if some Floridians call the new time zones "EST" and "AST" while others call them "CDT" and "EDT" (the latter presumably would want tm_isdst nonzero all year, something POSIX doesn't support). I suppose we could just use "-05" and "-04" to avoid taking sides. But my preference would be to follow past procedure.
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