growing opposition to DST in many Argentine Provinces
We have to anticipate some last moment changes in DST rules for Argentine Provinces again.
From various news- there is a growing opposition to the Daylight Saving Time on October 18 in many Argentine Provinces: Cordoba, Entre Rios, Tucuman, Santiago del Estero, Santa Fe ...
(Spanish) http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1180908 Crece la oposición al cambio de hora Además de las quejas de comerciantes bonaerenses y porteños, cinco provincias ya adelantaron que no adherirán a la medida (English) Growing opposition to the change of time In addition to complaints of merchants of Buenos Aires and Buenos Aires, five provinces and advanced that they do not adhere DST. http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_argentina07.html province Cordoba: Cordova examines whether adheres to the time change http://www.fmazul.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4218&Itemid=... Córdoba analiza si adhiere al cambio horario province Entre Rios: There is resistance to change time zone in Entre Rios http://www.eldiariodeparana.com.ar/textocomp.asp?id=179076 Hay resistencia al cambio de huso horario en Entre Ríos province Tucuman: Some provinces do not want another time http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2009/10/1/sociedad-449004.asp Algunas provincias no quieren otro huso ".... in Tucumán, the governor surprised everyone by stating that it will consider in coming days whether or not the province adheres to the time change plan" province Santiago del Estero: The time change does not benefit anything http://www.nuevodiarioweb.com.ar/VerNota.aspx? id=142267&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 “El cambio de hora no beneficia en nada” province Santa Fe: Santa Fe will join the discussion if time change http://www.rafaela.com/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=18576 Santa Fe debate si se sumará al cambio de horario Minister of Water, Utilities and Environment of the province Santa Fe said that "we are trying to unify positions with other provinces and we have not set our own ..." --------------------- See current Time Zones map for Argentina: http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-argentina24.php Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
Yeah... what's more... I can't find official information, either from the federal government or from the Provinces about when DST would start... My guess is that San Luis (which is currently the only Province using UTC-4 as its main -winter- timezone) would start observing DST (in UTC-3) on the second Sunday of October (as I think Chile does), whereas the National Goverment is trying that the rest of the country would change (from UTC-3 to UTC-2) on the THIRD Sunday of October... I'm really, really, REALLY fed up with this nonsense :-( Alexander Krivenyshev escribió el 02/10/09 22:15:
We have to anticipate some last moment changes in DST rules for Argentine Provinces again.
From various news- there is a growing opposition to the Daylight Saving Time on October 18 in many Argentine Provinces: Cordoba, Entre Rios, Tucuman, Santiago del Estero, Santa Fe ...
(Spanish) http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1180908 Crece la oposición al cambio de hora Además de las quejas de comerciantes bonaerenses y porteños, cinco provincias ya adelantaron que no adherirán a la medida
(English) Growing opposition to the change of time In addition to complaints of merchants of Buenos Aires and Buenos Aires, five provinces and advanced that they do not adhere DST. http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_argentina07.html
province Cordoba: Cordova examines whether adheres to the time change http://www.fmazul.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4218&Itemid=... Córdoba analiza si adhiere al cambio horario
province Entre Rios: There is resistance to change time zone in Entre Rios http://www.eldiariodeparana.com.ar/textocomp.asp?id=179076 Hay resistencia al cambio de huso horario en Entre Ríos
province Tucuman: Some provinces do not want another time http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2009/10/1/sociedad-449004.asp Algunas provincias no quieren otro huso
".... in Tucumán, the governor surprised everyone by stating that it will consider in coming days whether or not the province adheres to the time change plan"
province Santiago del Estero: The time change does not benefit anything http://www.nuevodiarioweb.com.ar/VerNota.aspx? id=142267&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 “El cambio de hora no beneficia en nada”
province Santa Fe: Santa Fe will join the discussion if time change http://www.rafaela.com/portal/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=18576 Santa Fe debate si se sumará al cambio de horario
Minister of Water, Utilities and Environment of the province Santa Fe said that "we are trying to unify positions with other provinces and we have not set our own ..."
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See current Time Zones map for Argentina: http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-argentina24.php
Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariano Absatz - El Baby" <baby@baby.com.ar> To: <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: Re: growing opposition to DST in many Argentine Provinces ....
province Tucuman: Some provinces do not want another time http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2009/10/1/sociedad-449004.asp Algunas provincias no quieren otro huso
".... in Tucumán, the governor surprised everyone by stating that it will consider in coming days whether or not the province adheres to the time change plan"
Could be decided yet, in favor of the DST change: "30/09/2009 09:20 Provincial La provincia adherirá al Cambio del huso horario que comenzará a regir el 18 de Octubre. El Gobernador José Alperovich, confirmó que por cuestiones operativas (atención en los bancos y vuelos programados) la provincia, necesita manejarse con el horario que tendrá Capital Federal, por lo que acatará lo dispuesto por la Nación en relación al cambio del huso horario que comenzará a regir a partir del domingo 18 de octubre y que finalizará el 7 de marzo de 2010." http://www.tucuman.gov.ar/gobierno/secprensa/noticias.php?idnoticia=2839 [Tucumán - Sitio Oficial de la Provincia] Cheers, Oscar van Vlijmen
OvV_HN escribió el 08/10/09 10:55:
province Tucuman: Some provinces do not want another time http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2009/10/1/sociedad-449004.asp Algunas provincias no quieren otro huso
".... in Tucumán, the governor surprised everyone by stating that it will consider in coming days whether or not the province adheres to the time change plan"
Could be decided yet, in favor of the DST change:
"30/09/2009 09:20 Provincial La provincia adherirá al Cambio del huso horario que comenzará a regir el 18 de Octubre. El Gobernador José Alperovich, confirmó que por cuestiones operativas (atención en los bancos y vuelos programados) la provincia, necesita manejarse con el horario que tendrá Capital Federal, por lo que acatará lo dispuesto por la Nación en relación al cambio del huso horario que comenzará a regir a partir del domingo 18 de octubre y que finalizará el 7 de marzo de 2010." http://www.tucuman.gov.ar/gobierno/secprensa/noticias.php?idnoticia=2839 [Tucumán - Sitio Oficial de la Provincia]
What I couldn't find was any reference in the National "Boletín Oficial" where Federal Laws and Decrees are published... my guess is that there is sufficient "hearsay" so that the Provinces are officialy "taking sides", but only that... all national info I could see was in the media and not on official sites :-( -- Mariano Absatz - "El Baby" baby@baby.com.ar www.clueless.com.ar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Allow me to introduce my selves. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org
What I couldn't find was any reference in the National "Boletín Oficial" where Federal Laws and Decrees are published... my guess is that there is sufficient "hearsay" so that the Provinces are officialy "taking sides", but only that... all national info I could see was in the media and not on official sites
There is only some info 12/03/09 (not specific for provinces) from Ministerio de Defensa as No. 26.350: "In fulfillment of the Naval Observatory Buenos Aires (Onbaa) with the community, as established by law No. 26.350, the third Sunday in March of 2009 at 00:00 pm, going back one hour on the spindle 3 west of Greenwich. This means that at 00:00 pm the 15th of March 2009, will be 23:00 pm the previous day. " http://www.hidro.gov.ar/Noticias/RENoticias.asp?idnot=197 or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_argentina06.html Alexander Krivenyshev, World Time Zone
Alexander Krivenyshev escribió el 08/10/09 13:46:
There is only some info 12/03/09 (not specific for provinces) from Ministerio de Defensa as No. 26.350:
"In fulfillment of the Naval Observatory Buenos Aires (Onbaa) with the community, as established by law No. 26.350, the third Sunday in March of 2009 at 00:00 pm, going back one hour on the spindle 3 west of Greenwich. This means that at 00:00 pm the 15th of March 2009, will be 23:00 pm the previous day. "
Yeah, but that only refers to the last DST => nonDST transition last March... it doesn't mention what they'll be doing this month... the stupid Law passed in December 2007 (the infamous Law 26.350) states (in Article 4th): El Poder Ejecutivo nacional fijará anualmente la fecha de iniciación y de terminación del período estival que corresponda. The National Executive Power will /yearly/ fix the beginning and ending dates for the corresponding summer period. That is, the National Government must publish the date EVERY YEAR, thus being able to CHANGE the date EVERY YEAR... and with the political coming and goings, they don't do it in March, April or June, but rather, 1 or 2 days before the actual date (or, it has already happened, 1 or 2 days AFTER the fact)... THEN, the Provinces start coming or going with the change, trying to balance the convenience of annoying the Federal Government by not following it, or their own inhabitants for being in a different timezone as Buenos Aires, or their own inhabitants for having daylight at 11PM... There is no single thinking human being in the Federal Government with something of power to be able to do this right... where actually, right would be what the Province of San Luis does (fixing normal tz at UTC-4 and using DST at UTC-3 with fixed day for the changes... IIRC, they use the same changing dates as our neighbour, Chile). -- Mariano Absatz - "El Baby" baby@baby.com.ar www.clueless.com.ar -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. Niels Bohr Danish physicist (1885 - 1962) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org
Mariano Absatz - El Baby escribió el 08/10/09 17:43:
Alexander Krivenyshev escribió el 08/10/09 13:46:
There is only some info 12/03/09 (not specific for provinces) from Ministerio de Defensa as No. 26.350:
"In fulfillment of the Naval Observatory Buenos Aires (Onbaa) with the community, as established by law No. 26.350, the third Sunday in March of 2009 at 00:00 pm, going back one hour on the spindle 3 west of Greenwich. This means that at 00:00 pm the 15th of March 2009, will be 23:00 pm the previous day. "
Yeah, but that only refers to the last DST => nonDST transition last March... it doesn't mention what they'll be doing this month... What's more... the page that supposedly informs about the timezone in Argentina (http://www.hidro.gov.ar/hora/hora.asp) is "unavailable at this moment" :-(
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Mariano Absatz - El Baby wrote:
Yeah... what's more... I can't find official information, either from the federal government or from the Provinces about when DST would start...
My guess is that San Luis (which is currently the only Province using UTC-4 as its main -winter- timezone) would start observing DST (in UTC-3) on the second Sunday of October (as I think Chile does), whereas the National Goverment is trying that the rest of the country would change (from UTC-3 to UTC-2) on the THIRD Sunday of October...
I'm really, really, REALLY fed up with this nonsense :-(
I want to go to the govt house and teach them some computer concepts... By the way, my iPod touch *already* switched to Arg. DST last week. Messed up my calendar.
Mariano Absatz - El Baby wrote:
Yeah... what's more... I can't find official information, either from the federal government or from the Provinces about when DST would start...
My guess is that San Luis (which is currently the only Province using UTC-4 as its main -winter- timezone) would start observing DST (in UTC-3) on the second Sunday of October (as I think Chile does), whereas the National Goverment is trying that the rest of the country would change (from UTC-3 to UTC-2) on the THIRD Sunday of October...
I'm really, really, REALLY fed up with this nonsense :-(
I heard rumors (from no reliable sources) of a situation where a province would refuse to change the timezone, but a single city in it *would* change (thus having a different time than the rest of the province) to match with a neighbor province that would change along with Bs.As, with which they have a lot of commerce. I don't even remember which provinces/cities they were :( Do you have any info on this? By the way, how separated is the current tzdata list? Is there *at least* one timezone per Argentinian province? (I know that some are split further)
Mariano Absatz - El Baby wrote:
My guess is that San Luis (which is currently the only Province using UTC-4 as its main -winter- timezone) would start observing DST (in UTC-3) on the second Sunday of October (as I think Chile does), whereas the National Goverment is trying that the rest of the country would change (from UTC-3 to UTC-2) on the THIRD Sunday of October...
Your guess about San Luis was right - they did start DST this weekend: http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/477202-101275-0-La-Argentina-un-mismo-hora... Some of the other provinces are still not fully decided on what to do, we try to have this page updated: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/argentina-dst-2009-2010.html Best regards, Steffen - timeanddate.com
Steffen Thorsen wrote:
Your guess about San Luis was right - they did start DST this weekend: But at the moment - it seems that the rest of Argentina will not observe DST from Sunday, but maybe it is best to wait until there is an official government confirmation on this.
Some sources: http://www.lavoz.com.ar/09/10/15/secciones/sociedad/nota.asp?nota_id=559561 http://www.diarioshow.com/notas/2009/10/15/20067-al-final-no-habra-cambio-de... Best regards, Steffen - timeanddate.com
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