I am trying to clarify the geographical extent of tz timezones. For the most part, the data files provide this information, but there are a few cases which are not entirely clear. Here are a few questions; once we figure out the answers, I'll be happy to propose updates to the tz files to capture the results (in comments, of course). Thanks in advance, Eric. --- Democratic Republic of Congo. Is it correct that: The zone Africa/Kinshasa covers the (pre-2009) provinces of Bas-Congo, Kinshasa, Bandundu, and Equateur. The zone Africa/Lubumbashi covers the remainder of the Democratic Republic of Congo. ---- Kazakhstan, using the names at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakstan#Provinces>. Is it correct that: Asia/Almaty = Kostanay, Karagandy, South Kaz and everything east of them Asia/Qyzylorda = Kyzylorda Asia/Aqtobe = Aktobe Asia/Aqtau = Mangystau Asia/Oral = West Kazakhstan The Atyrau province is not mentioned explictly, and given its location, it should be in one of the last three time zones, but which one? --- Indonesia. Is it correct that: Asia/Jakarta is the island of Sumatra, the island of Java. Asia/Pontianak is the provinces of West Kalimantan (Kalimantan Barat) and Central Kalimantan (Kalimantan Tengah). Asia/Makassar is the island of Sulawesi, the Lesser Sunda islands (Bali, East Nusa Tenggara, West Nusa Tenggara), the provinces of East Kalimantan, South Kalimantan. Asia/Jayapura is the provinces of Maluku, North Maluku, Papua and West Papua. --- Uzbekistan. What is the boundary between Asia/Samarkand and Asia/Tashkent? --- Marshall Islands. What is the division into Pacific/Majuro and Pacific/Kwajalein? is the later just the Kwajalein island, as this 1993 NY Times article suggests? <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE1D6163EF931A1575BC0A9659...> --- Ukraine: what is the division of Ukraine in its four time zones, preferably in terms of the administrative divisions (e.g. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Ukraine>)? --- Spain: Does the Africa/Ceuta timezone apply to all the "Plazas de soberania" or just to Ceuta proper? If the later, what is the time zone for the other places? (See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_de_soberan%C3%ADa> for a map.) --- China: the descriptions of Asia/Chongqing and Asia/Urumqui both include "west Qinghai". Shouldn't it be "east Qinghai" for Asia/Chongqing? The Asia/Urumqi zone is described as including counties of Guangdong. That seems awfully far to the east of the other areas included in that time zone. Inner Mongolia is divided between Asia/Chongqing and Asia/Shanghai. What is the division in terms of the administrative regions at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_of_Inner_Mongolia>? Tibet and Xinjiang are divided between Asia/Urumqi and Asia/Kashgar. What is their division in terms of the administrative regions at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_of_Tibet_Auton...> and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_administrative_divisions_of_Xinjiang>? --- Greenland and Antartica: what would good areas for the zones? Should they be narrow (i.e. around "inhabited" places) or wide (i.e. form a partition of the land)? --- PS. I am still nibbling at a shapefile of tz timezones for the world, which I will make available eventually. Right now, I managed to reconstruct the bulk of it from the VMAP0 data, and thereby establish a clear traceability of the map.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Muller" <emuller@adobe.com> To: <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: Geographical extent of some tz timezones
I am trying to clarify the geographical extent of tz timezones. For the most part, the data files provide this information, but there are a few cases which are not entirely clear. Here are a few questions; once we figure out the answers, I'll be happy to propose updates to the tz files to capture the results (in comments, of course).
..... Some of your questions could be answered by my web page: Time zone boundaries for multizone countries http://home.tiscali.nl/~t876506/Multizones.html I know, some information should be updated, but I still have to find the time.... Oscar van Vlijmen
Is there a publication of the TZData in XML format? I'm more interested in the current setting of the various time zones than the historical aspect. I know some have done it, but is there one that is as up-to-date as the actual TZData? This way I don't have to worry about operating system or whether the information provided is out of date before I even get it online. Thanks in advance, Bill
I did a good deal of research into the time zones of Kazakhstan in 2005. I sent my discoveries to the tz mailing list at the time. You can easily find them now in the osdir archive. Look at http://osdir.com/ml/time.tz/2005-05/msg00040.html. That should help you with your task. Gwillim Law ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Muller" <emuller@adobe.com>
I am trying to clarify the geographical extent of tz timezones. [...] ---- Kazakhstan, using the names at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakstan#Provinces>. Is it correct that:
Asia/Almaty = Kostanay, Karagandy, South Kaz and everything east of them Asia/Qyzylorda = Kyzylorda Asia/Aqtobe = Aktobe Asia/Aqtau = Mangystau Asia/Oral = West Kazakhstan
The Atyrau province is not mentioned explictly, and given its location, it should be in one of the last three time zones, but which one?
Gwillim Law wrote:
I did a good deal of research into the time zones of Kazakhstan in 2005.
Your message of May 20, 2005 puts Kostanay in Asia/Qyzylorda; a message of yours on September 15, 2006 puts Atyrau in Asia/Aqtau. The end result is: Asia/Almaty = North Kaz, Akmola, Karagandy, South Kaz, Pavlodar, East Kazakhstan Zhambyl and Almaty Asia/Qyzylorda = Kyzylorda and Kostanay Asia/Aqtobe = Aktobe Asia/Aqtau = Mangystau and Atyrau Asia/Oral = West Kazakhstan Thanks! Eric.
On 08.09.2008 19:07, Eric Muller wrote:
--- Ukraine: what is the division of Ukraine in its four time zones, preferably in terms of the administrative divisions (e.g. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Ukraine>)?
The Ukraine has only one time zone, UTC+2 (+ daylight saving time): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine Where did you get the information that it had four time zones? It is much too small for this. Regards Martin Jerabek
Martin Jerabek wrote:
The Ukraine has only one time zone, UTC+2 (+ daylight saving time): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
Where did you get the information that it had four time zones?
Time zones in the tz sense, which include history. You are right that all four time zones now have the same GMT offset and DST transitions, but it has not always been the case in the past, hence the four tz timezones. The descriptions in the "europe" file are: # Most of Ukraine since 1970 has been like Kiev. ... Zone Europe/Kiev ... # Ruthenia used CET 1990/1991. ... Zone Europe/Uzhgorod ... # Zaporozh'ye and eastern Lugansk oblasts observed DST 1990/1991. ... Zone Europe/Zaporozhye ... # Central Crimea used Moscow time 1994/1997. Zone Europe/Simferopol ... My problem is that "Ruthenia", "eastern Lugansk oblast" and "Central Crimea" are a bit vague in geographical terms. I am looking for a more precise description, preferably in terms of the current administrative divisions (including something more precise than "eastern" Lugansk oblast, which I would expect could be done in terms of rayons in that oblast). Thanks, Eric.
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