Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30, 2014
According to the news, Republic of Crimea (Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Yalta, Yevpatoriya) will change its clock 2 hours forward (to the Moscow time) on March 30, 2014. Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_17/Crimea-to-switch-to-Moscow-Time-as- of-March-30-8334/ or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_crimea01.html Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
Alexander Krivenyshev <worldtimezone <at> yahoo.com> writes:
According to the news, Republic of Crimea (Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Yalta, Yevpatoriya) will change its clock 2 hours forward (to the Moscow time) on March 30, 2014.
Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_17/Crimea-to-switch-to-Moscow-Time-
as-
of-March-30-8334/
or
http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_crimea01.html
Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014 I think that translation ( at 2pm) was incorrect, as most of other news (in russian) http://ria.ru/world/20140317/999818828.html http://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html says time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014: "To establish across the Republic of Crimea the time standard in accordance with the third time zone with the time change at 2:00 on March 30, 2014, by moving the clock two hours forward" Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
The information below confirms the 2:00 time for Crimea time zone change. This is from a Russian-speaking person in Moscow; here is a quote from his response to my question about this: "Yes, 2:00 is clear for Crimea. The decree states: "on 30 March 2014 at 2:00 setting the clock 2 hours ahead". It corresponds to the Russian rule of starting DST: last Sunday in March at 2:00. Ukrainian rule is different: last Sunday in March at 3:00. There are many references in media to the decree (in Russian): * Crimean Parliament Decision of 17.03.2014 http://ria.ru/world/20140317/999818828.html?utm_source=tw1 http://www.interfax.ru/world/365136 http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2014/03/17/1244869.html " ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Krivenyshev" <worldtimezone@yahoo.com> To: <tz@iana.org> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30, 2014
Alexander Krivenyshev <worldtimezone <at> yahoo.com> writes:
According to the news, Republic of Crimea (Simferopol, Sevastopol, Kerch, Yalta, Yevpatoriya) will change its clock 2 hours forward (to the Moscow time) on March 30, 2014.
Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_17/Crimea-to-switch-to-Moscow-Time-
as-
of-March-30-8334/
or
http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_crimea01.html
Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014
I think that translation ( at 2pm) was incorrect, as most of other news (in russian) http://ria.ru/world/20140317/999818828.html http://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html
says time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014:
"To establish across the Republic of Crimea the time standard in accordance with the third time zone with the time change at 2:00 on March 30, 2014, by moving the clock two hours forward"
Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
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Thanks again. I pushed the attached patch to the experimental repository, and we'll need to generate a new official release soon.
On Wednesday, March 19 2014, "Paul Eggert" wrote to "Alexander Krivenyshev, tz@iana.org" saying:
Thanks again. I pushed the attached patch to the experimental repository, and we'll need to generate a new official release soon.
+RU +4457+03406 Europe/Simferopol Moscow+00 - Crimea
-UA +4457+03406 Europe/Simferopol central Crimea
I see you're assuming that Europe/Simferopol covers all of Crimea, not just "central Crimea". Have we confirmed that this is in fact exactly the same area that engaged in the 1994-1997 switch to Moscow time? And if so, why did the region end up being described as "central Crimea" in zone.tab? I note also that Sevastopol is slightly larger in population than Simferopol, according to Wikipedia (though they're pretty close), and I would assert is better-known in English. I'm worried that the choice of Simferopol as the representative for "central Crimea" meant that Sevastopol did *not* engage in the 1994-1997 time change. -- Jonathan Lennox lennox@cs.columbia.edu
On 03/20/2014 08:50 AM, lennox@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
why did the region end up being described as "central Crimea" in zone.tab? Sorry, I don't recall, but I expect it had something to do with Sevastopol naval bases and/or city observing Moscow time regardless of what the rest of Crimea did. That usage is already supported by TZ='Europe/Moscow'. Moving forward, I thought it would be less confusing for tzselect users if the description said just "Crimea" for the time in non-naval-base Crimea, since the folks who want to set their clocks to Moscow time far into the distant past should already know to use TZ='Europe/Moscow'. Plus, "central Crimea" wasn't quite right either, as the Simferopol zone is more than just the central part of Crimea.
Deborah Goldsmith wrote:
Is there an ETA for the new release?
I tagged release 2014b in the experimental repository. Assuming it checks out there should be a non-experimental release of this soon. Here's the experimental version: https://github.com/eggert/tz/releases/tag/2014b
There is a issue to access the web site news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz , it shows: "Forbidden ...You don't have permission to access /gmane.comp.time.tz/2619 on this server." Just to give an update, that according to Crimeainform News agency Crimea switches to Moscow time at 22:00 local time March 29, 2014 (midnight 00:00 Moscow time March 29-30, 2014) (in Russian) http://www.c-inform.info/news/id/2339 or in English: http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_crimea02.html The solemn adjusting of the main clock of Simferopol in the railway station square to Moscow time will take place today at 22:00 local time (00:00 Moscow time). Thus, midnight on the Peninsula and midnight in Moscow will come simultaneously. Alexander Krivenyshev (WorldTimeZone.com)
WorldTimeZone wrote:
Crimea switches to Moscow time at 22:00 local time March 29, 2014
Thanks for the heads-up. That's less than an hour from now, but people who need the correct transition right away can install the attached patch, which I've pushed to the experimental repository on github.
A small correction for time change in Crimea. Seems that main clock of Simferopol was switched to Moscow time at 22:00 local time (00:00 Moscow time): http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_29/Crimea-switches-to-Moscow-time-0223... however rest of Crimea (including Sevastopol) changed their clocks at 2 am on March 30, 2014. http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_30/Crimea-Sevastopol-set-clocks-to-Mos... "The main clock in the Russian federal city of Sevastopol - the chimes placed on Matrossky club were moved at 2am former local time to Moscow time (4am)." Alexander Krivenyshev (WorldTimeZone.com)
Those sources are all over the map. <http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_29/Crimea-switches-to-Moscow-time-0223...> says that the main Simferopol clock changed at 22:00 March 29, and also that Crimea changed at 14:00 March 30. <http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_30/Crimea-Sevastopol-set-clocks-to-Mos...> says that the main clock in Sevastopol changed at 02:00 March 30, and that it also changed at 21:00 March 29. Although it's unlikely that all these reports are correct, it does seem that people changed their clocks pretty much at a random time. Since our entry is for Europe/Simferopol, I'm mildly inclined to go with the headlines on the first article and use the main Simferopol clock; this would have the advantage of leaving experimental tz database alone.
I would rather presume that the official time changed at 2am on the 30th, as previously reported, and that the "solemn adjustments" that occured at other times were merely ceremonial, and therefore performed at more practical times than 2am. (Of course this is just a presumption, which should be confirmed by official sources.) Even Scharning Time.is - exact time for any place on Earth http://time.is/ On 2014-03-30 22:11, Paul Eggert wrote:
Those sources are all over the map.
<http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_29/Crimea-switches-to-Moscow-time-0223...> says that the main Simferopol clock changed at 22:00 March 29, and also that Crimea changed at 14:00 March 30.
<http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_30/Crimea-Sevastopol-set-clocks-to-Mos...> says that the main clock in Sevastopol changed at 02:00 March 30, and that it also changed at 21:00 March 29.
Although it's unlikely that all these reports are correct, it does seem that people changed their clocks pretty much at a random time. Since our entry is for Europe/Simferopol, I'm mildly inclined to go with the headlines on the first article and use the main Simferopol clock; this would have the advantage of leaving experimental tz database alone.
Even Scharning wrote:
I would rather presume that the official time changed at 2am on the 30th
The Crimean parliament's resolution does not specify an official time, just a date. Quite possibly there was no official time. Admittedly it would make more sense for the transition to be at 02:00 on the official date than at 22:00 the day before. The Crimean parliament's website is down now (I don't know whether that's permanent) but the resolution (in Russian) is archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20140329122609/http://www.rada.crimea.ua/news/17_...
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