[PROPOSED PATCH] Cyprus is splitting into two time zones
Add a zone Asia/North_Nicosia for North Cyprus. * NEWS: Document this. * asia, zone.tab, zone1970.tab (Asia/North_Nicosia): New zone. --- NEWS | 5 +++-- asia | 11 ++++++++++- zone.tab | 3 ++- zone1970.tab | 3 ++- 4 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS index a4af3b2..64233bf 100644 --- a/NEWS +++ b/NEWS @@ -5,8 +5,9 @@ Unreleased, experimental changes Changes to future time stamps Turkey switched from EET/EEST (+02/+03) to permanent +03, - effective 2016-09-07. (Thanks to Burak AYDIN.) Use "+03" rather - than an invented abbreviation for the new time. + effective 2016-09-07. (Thanks to Burak AYDIN.) Northern Cyprus + followed suit the next day, which creates a zone Asia/North_Nicosia. + Use "+03" rather than an invented abbreviation for the new time. New leap second 2016-12-31 23:59:60 UTC as per IERS Bulletin C 52. (Thanks to Tim Parenti.) diff --git a/asia b/asia index e285326..4462cd4 100644 --- a/asia +++ b/asia @@ -773,6 +773,12 @@ Zone Asia/Macau 7:34:20 - LMT 1912 Jan 1 # Cyprus # # Milne says the Eastern Telegraph Company used 2:14:00. Stick with LMT. +# IATA SSIM (1998-09) has Cyprus using EU rules for the first time. +# +# From Paul Eggert (2016-09-09): +# Yesterday's Cyprus Mail reports that Northern Cyprus followed Turkey's +# lead and switched from +02/+03 to +03 year-round. +# http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/09/08/two-time-zones-cyprus-turkey-will-not-turn... # # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Cyprus 1975 only - Apr 13 0:00 1:00 S @@ -788,7 +794,10 @@ Rule Cyprus 1981 1998 - Mar lastSun 0:00 1:00 S Zone Asia/Nicosia 2:13:28 - LMT 1921 Nov 14 2:00 Cyprus EE%sT 1998 Sep 2:00 EUAsia EE%sT -# IATA SSIM (1998-09) has Cyprus using EU rules for the first time. +Zone Asia/North_Nicosia 2:13:27 - LMT 1921 Nov 14 + 2:00 Cyprus EE%sT 1998 Sep + 2:00 EUAsia EE%sT 2016 Sep 8 + 3:00 - +03 # Classically, Cyprus belongs to Asia; e.g. see Herodotus, Histories, I.72. # However, for various reasons many users expect to find it under Europe. diff --git a/zone.tab b/zone.tab index bf1bb71..15989f4 100644 --- a/zone.tab +++ b/zone.tab @@ -152,7 +152,8 @@ CU +2308-08222 America/Havana CV +1455-02331 Atlantic/Cape_Verde CW +1211-06900 America/Curacao CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas -CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia +CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia Cyprus (most areas) +CY +3511+03322 Asia/North_Nicosia North Cyprus CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin Germany (most areas) DE +4742+00841 Europe/Busingen Busingen diff --git a/zone1970.tab b/zone1970.tab index 49f0b0b..efe27b1 100644 --- a/zone1970.tab +++ b/zone1970.tab @@ -144,7 +144,8 @@ CU +2308-08222 America/Havana CV +1455-02331 Atlantic/Cape_Verde CW,AW,BQ,SX +1211-06900 America/Curacao CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas -CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia +CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia Cyprus (most areas) +CY +3511+03322 Asia/North_Nicosia North Cyprus CZ,SK +5005+01426 Europe/Prague DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin Germany (most areas) DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen -- 2.7.4
It appears that I was too hasty about this, as the UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus has now weighed in on Cyprus time zones and the two sides may have further negotiations. Since it is hard to predict what will happen, I am becoming inclined to revert the recent tzdata Cyprus change before releasing 2016g, and to wait to see what happens in Cyprus between now and November, to avoid releasing a Zone that turns out to be wrong and/or unnecessary. In the meantime, computers in North Cyprus can use the TZ settings 'Asia/Nicosia' or (for those updating to the forthcoming 2016g release) 'Asia/Istanbul' or (for those not updating) '<+03>-3', depending on how things turn out. http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/09/09/un-two-sides-will-decide-address-time-zone... http://famagusta-gazette.com/time-zones-in-cyprus-set-to-split-p36090-69.htm
Looks like the time zone split in Cyprus went through last night. http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/10/30/cyprus-new-division-two-time-zones-now-rea... http://www.lgcnews.com/clocks-will-not-go-back-in-north-cyprus/ http://time.is/time_zone_news/cyprus_split_into_two_time_zones Even Scharning Time.is - exact time for any time zone http://time.is/ On 09.09.2016 19:41, Paul Eggert wrote:
It appears that I was too hasty about this, as the UN Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus has now weighed in on Cyprus time zones and the two sides may have further negotiations. Since it is hard to predict what will happen, I am becoming inclined to revert the recent tzdata Cyprus change before releasing 2016g, and to wait to see what happens in Cyprus between now and November, to avoid releasing a Zone that turns out to be wrong and/or unnecessary. In the meantime, computers in North Cyprus can use the TZ settings 'Asia/Nicosia' or (for those updating to the forthcoming 2016g release) 'Asia/Istanbul' or (for those not updating) '<+03>-3', depending on how things turn out.
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/09/09/un-two-sides-will-decide-address-time-zone...
http://famagusta-gazette.com/time-zones-in-cyprus-set-to-split-p36090-69.htm
Even Scharning wrote:
Looks like the time zone split in Cyprus went through last night.
Thanks for mentioning this. I guess the UN peacekeeping effort didn't work out. I installed the attached proposed patch, which re-adds a new zone for North Nicosia. It's time for a new release, but I'll wait for a day or so in case there are further developments or corrections. In the meantime northern Cypriots can use TZ=Asia/Istanbul.
On Sunday, October 30 2016, "Paul Eggert" wrote to "Even Scharning, Time Zone Mailing List" saying:
Even Scharning wrote:
Looks like the time zone split in Cyprus went through last night.
Thanks for mentioning this. I guess the UN peacekeeping effort didn't work out. I installed the attached proposed patch, which re-adds a new zone for North Nicosia. It's time for a new release, but I'll wait for a day or so in case there are further developments or corrections. In the meantime northern Cypriots can use TZ=Asia/Istanbul.
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well? -- Jonathan Lennox lennox@cs.columbia.edu
On 10/31/2016 09:50 AM, Jonathan Lennox wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
From a discussion I had with a colleague:
North Nicosia is probably OK for current purposes. But, if reunification happens, the term "North Nicosia" will be as relevant as "East Berlin" is now, and people might be confused by a city name that was formerly split. I would pick "Asia/Famagusta", the largest city entirely within the TRNC, and the major seaport, in the interest of being more clear. Thoughts? -Matt ________________________________ From: tz-bounces@iana.org <tz-bounces@iana.org> on behalf of Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 9:52 AM To: Jonathan Lennox Cc: Time Zone Mailing List Subject: Re: [tz] Cyprus is splitting into two time zones On 10/31/2016 09:50 AM, Jonathan Lennox wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
Matt Johnson wrote:
I would pick "Asia/Famagusta", the largest city entirely within the TRNC
Thanks. Yes, that name is less confusing, and the city is large enough even if it's not strictly the largest. Further proposed patch attached.
On 31/10/16 16:52, Paul Eggert wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
? Cyprus is part of Europe and Greece and Turkey are further east so I was somewhat surprised to see it moved outside europe! https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cy.html if you want some documentation ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
On 01/11/16 08:41, Lester Caine wrote:
On 31/10/16 16:52, Paul Eggert wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
? Cyprus is part of Europe and Greece and Turkey are further east so I was somewhat surprised to see it moved outside europe! https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cy.html if you want some documentation ...
OK Geography is a little off, I still concider cyprus is part of the island area around Greece, but if cyprus is not classified as part of Europe then Turkey should also move to asia since that is designated as 'Middle East' rather than 'Europe'. My point is on what basis is the statement "Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake" made? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
Am 01.11.16 um 10:15 schrieb Lester Caine:
On 01/11/16 08:41, Lester Caine wrote:
On 31/10/16 16:52, Paul Eggert wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
? Cyprus is part of Europe and Greece and Turkey are further east so I was somewhat surprised to see it moved outside europe! https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cy.html if you want some documentation ...
OK Geography is a little off, I still concider cyprus is part of the island area around Greece, but if cyprus is not classified as part of Europe then Turkey should also move to asia since that is designated as 'Middle East' rather than 'Europe'. My point is on what basis is the statement "Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake" made?
It should never have existed in the first place as the time was always linked to either greece (Europe/Athens) or Turkey (Asia/Istanbul)? It's about the same reason why The Hopi-Reservation in Arizona doesn't have it's own timezone but uses America/Denver instead. My 0.02 € Cheers Andreas -- ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
On 01/11/16 09:23, Andreas Heigl wrote:
Am 01.11.16 um 10:15 schrieb Lester Caine:
On 01/11/16 08:41, Lester Caine wrote:
On 31/10/16 16:52, Paul Eggert wrote:
Since there is a Europe/Nicosia link, presumably there should be a Europe/North_Nicosia link as well?
I'd rather not. In hindsight the Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake, and let's not compound it.
? Cyprus is part of Europe and Greece and Turkey are further east so I was somewhat surprised to see it moved outside europe! https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cy.html if you want some documentation ...
OK Geography is a little off, I still concider cyprus is part of the island area around Greece, but if cyprus is not classified as part of Europe then Turkey should also move to asia since that is designated as 'Middle East' rather than 'Europe'. My point is on what basis is the statement "Europe/Nicosia link was a mistake" made?
It should never have existed in the first place as the time was always linked to either greece (Europe/Athens) or Turkey (Asia/Istanbul)?
But the primary zone is Europe/Istanbul with Asia/Istanbul a link
It's about the same reason why The Hopi-Reservation in Arizona doesn't have it's own timezone but uses America/Denver instead.
But at least it's data is in the right file. Cyprus is a part of the EU so it's data currently is not ... but an explanation is all I'm looking for ... I will keep Cyprus in the Europe location list anyway as that is where it is expected to be found. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
Lester Caine wrote:
the primary zone is Europe/Istanbul with Asia/Istanbul
There is some geographical excuse for that, as the old heart of Istanbul is in Europe whereas the city as a whole straddles into Asia, and there's no significant dispute there about the boundary between Europe and Asia. The situation in Cyprus is different.
On 01/11/16 13:58, Paul Eggert wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
the primary zone is Europe/Istanbul with Asia/Istanbul
There is some geographical excuse for that, as the old heart of Istanbul is in Europe whereas the city as a whole straddles into Asia, and there's no significant dispute there about the boundary between Europe and Asia. The situation in Cyprus is different.
My own dealings with Cyprus are as a European country so I was somewhat surprised that it's not listed there, and I would expect to find it's details in any EU directory along with every other EU country. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> writes:
My own dealings with Cyprus are as a European country so I was somewhat surprised that it's not listed there, and I would expect to find it's details in any EU directory along with every other EU country.
There's some discussion here about the various Europe resources that exclude it and the various reasons why one might argue it is in Asia: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3204/is-cyprus-in-europe It's a political issue, as you might expect. -- Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
As far as I understood the timezonedb so far it's about making the life of people easier. When Istanbul has two entries due it's unclear state on being european or asian, why does nikosia not have the same? When it's an independent country there should be an entry at all and when it's unclear whether it's european ir asian put it into one and have an alias into the other. Or am I completely wrong? Cheers Andreas -- Andreas Heigl Andreas@heigl.org
Am 02.11.2016 um 03:25 schrieb Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org>:
Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> writes:
My own dealings with Cyprus are as a European country so I was somewhat surprised that it's not listed there, and I would expect to find it's details in any EU directory along with every other EU country.
There's some discussion here about the various Europe resources that exclude it and the various reasons why one might argue it is in Asia:
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3204/is-cyprus-in-europe
It's a political issue, as you might expect.
-- Russ Allbery (eagle@eyrie.org) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:43:38 +0100 From: Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org> Message-ID: <82CE3F77-F5B2-4D3A-AD0A-AC191F4563CD@heigl.org> | As far as I understood the timezonedb so far it's about making | the life of people easier. That's not correct. It is about documenting the different time zones that exist. If that happens to make life easier for someone or other, that's just a fortunate by-product, it is not an objective. | When Istanbul has two entries due it's unclear state on being european | or asian, That's not correct either. For Istanbul (and Turkey as a whole) it is very clear that it is both European and Asian. That is, it (both Istanbul and Turkey) straddles the divide between Europe and Asia. I'm not going to comment on Cyprus, I don't understand either the geographic or political issues involved - though I will say that membership of the EU is irrelevant to our purposes. Given enough time passing, that body may grow to include almost anyone, whether they're geographically European or not. kre
Hi Robert Am 02.11.16 um 09:49 schrieb Robert Elz:
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 06:43:38 +0100 From: Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org> Message-ID: <82CE3F77-F5B2-4D3A-AD0A-AC191F4563CD@heigl.org>
| As far as I understood the timezonedb so far it's about making | the life of people easier.
That's not correct. It is about documenting the different time zones that exist. If that happens to make life easier for someone or other, that's just a fortunate by-product, it is not an objective.
Just as a reference: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2016-October/024311.html
| When Istanbul has two entries due it's unclear state on being european | or asian,
That's not correct either. For Istanbul (and Turkey as a whole) it is very clear that it is both European and Asian. That is, it (both Istanbul and Turkey) straddles the divide between Europe and Asia.
I'm not going to comment on Cyprus, I don't understand either the geographic or political issues involved - though I will say that membership of the EU is irrelevant to our purposes. Given enough time passing, that body may grow to include almost anyone, whether they're geographically European or not.
Nobody is talking about it's membership in the european union. I was more thinking of it's orientation more to Europe than to Asia. And as the current TZ-DB already contains a link from Europe/Nicosia to Asia/Nicosia everything is fine for me. Cheers Andreas -- ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50°22'59.5" E 08°23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org> wrote:
Nobody is talking about it's membership in the european union. I was more thinking of it's orientation more to Europe than to Asia
http://theduran.com/in-bizarre-speech-erdogan-demands-mosul-makes-sweeping-c... https://www.ft.com/content/a117d966-8f9e-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923 To misquote Robert Elz, all things change. And change back. And vice versa. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Robert Elz <kre@munnari.oz.au> wrote:
I'm not going to comment on Cyprus, I don't understand either the geographic or political issues involved - though I will say that membership of the EU is irrelevant to our purposes. Given enough time passing, that body may grow to include almost anyone, whether they're geographically European or not.
And Turkey is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. -- Sanjeev Gupta +65 98551208 http://www.linkedin.com/in/ghane
On 02/11/16 02:25, Russ Allbery wrote:
My own dealings with Cyprus are as a European country so I was somewhat
surprised that it's not listed there, and I would expect to find it's details in any EU directory along with every other EU country. There's some discussion here about the various Europe resources that exclude it and the various reasons why one might argue it is in Asia:
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/3204/is-cyprus-in-europe
It's a political issue, as you might expect.
Totally political, and some of the 'evidence' provided by Wikipedia is decidedly suspect. Apparently Russia is the largest European Country? But Cyprus IS in that list as well. Certainly wikipedia can not be considered reliable as the messages on the top of many pages attest. As I said ... I was just surprised there was a problem. Cyprus is just one of the European countries I deal with ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
And then there is the United Nations Buffer Zone in Cyprus. People are living there, you know. What timezone are they in? What is their DST regime? Shouldn't there be an entry in the TZ database for this part of the country? Regards, Oscar van Vlijmen
On 2 November 2016 at 07:14, vanadovv@hetnet.nl <vanadovv@hetnet.nl> wrote:
What timezone are they in? What is their DST regime? Shouldn't there be an entry in the TZ database for this part of the country?
No. The fact that the two different rulesets exist is something we cover. Where the border between them lies, whether well-defined or ill-defined, is historically outside the scope of this project (besides, others' attempts cover this fairly well). -- Tim Parenti
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