Re: [tz] Volgograd is planning to change its time zone back to Moscow on December 20, 2020
On 12/2/20 2:57 PM, wtz wrote:
(State Duma plan to pass the Bill in the second and third reading next week - around December 9, 2020)
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date. After December 9, it'll still need a look-see by the Federation Council and a signing by the president before it's a done deal. Not much time before the time change on December 20. I suppose people will just use "Europe/Moscow" if their tzdb copies aren't updated in time. Your source says "в скандальном вопросе" ("v skandal'nom voprose"), a curious choice of words. The extreme lack of notice is scandalous from my point of view, and perhaps the source is making the same point.
On Wed, Dec 02, 2020 at 04:05:01PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 12/2/20 2:57 PM, wtz wrote:
(State Duma plan to pass the Bill in the second and third reading next week - around December 9, 2020)
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date. After December 9, it'll still need a look-see by the Federation Council and a signing by the president before it's a done deal. Not much time before the time change on December 20. I suppose people will just use "Europe/Moscow" if their tzdb copies aren't updated in time.
Your source says "в скандальном вопросе" ("v skandal'nom voprose"), a curious choice of words. The extreme lack of notice is scandalous from my point of view, and perhaps the source is making the same point.
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 changes the date to December 27. https://v1.ru/text/gorod/2020/12/04/69601031/ says that passing the law before December 20 is "physically impossible".
On 12/4/20 12:34 PM, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 changes the date to December 27.
Thanks for the heads-up. It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little bit by installing the effective-December-20 change into the tzdb development sources. Still, it seems more likely that Volgograd will change on December 27, than that it won't change at all. So I installed the attached proposed patch to do that. I'd like to see what happens next week (or the week later or whatever), to make sure the change is final, before generating a new tzdb release.
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:06:08PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 12/4/20 12:34 PM, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 changes the date to December 27.
Thanks for the heads-up. It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little bit by installing the effective-December-20 change into the tzdb development sources. Still, it seems more likely that Volgograd will change on December 27, than that it won't change at all. So I installed the attached proposed patch to do that. I'd like to see what happens next week (or the week later or whatever), to make sure the change is final, before generating a new tzdb release.
The law was published today on http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202012220002
On 2020-12-22 01:54, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:06:08PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 12/4/20 12:34 PM, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 changes the date to December 27.
Thanks for the heads-up. It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little bit by installing the effective-December-20 change into the tzdb development sources. Still, it seems more likely that Volgograd will change on December 27, than that it won't change at all. So I installed the attached proposed patch to do that. I'd like to see what happens next week (or the week later or whatever), to make sure the change is final, before generating a new tzdb release.
The law was published today on http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202012220002
Care to post a translation, as the PDF is an image, and Google Translate gives up? -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. [Data in binary units and prefixes, physical quantities in SI.]
On 2020-12-22 11:10, Станислав Гребенюков wrote:
On 22.12.2020, 20:58, Brian Inglis wrote:
On 2020-12-22 01:54, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:06:08PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 12/4/20 12:34 PM, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 <https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7> changes the date to December 27. Thanks for the heads-up. It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little bit by installing the effective-December-20 change into the tzdb development sources. Still, it seems more likely that Volgograd will change on December 27, than that it won't change at all. So I installed the attached proposed patch to do that. I'd like to see what happens next week (or the week later or whatever), to make sure the change is final, before generating a new tzdb release. The law was published today on http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202012220002 <http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202012220002> Care to post a translation, as the PDF is an image, and Google Translate gives up? The text of the law can be found on the website of the legislative authority (in russian): http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/download/2CFF8CE5-7010-41E9-8305-8FFABEB23381 <http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/download/2CFF8CE5-7010-41E9-8305-8FFABEB23381> Resolution on amendments to the law (in russian): http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/download/0A5A125F-8B3B-46B8-85D3-21E639FCD31E <http://sozd.duma.gov.ru/download/0A5A125F-8B3B-46B8-85D3-21E639FCD31E>
Law acceptance workflow here (in russian): https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 <https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7> The documents above are in the text form, not images.
"Project No. 1012130 -7 in the third reading THE FEDERAL LAW On amendments to Article 5 of the Federal Law "On the Calculation of Time" Article 1 Introduce into part 1 of Article 5 of the Federal Law of June 3, 2011 No. 107-FZ "On the Calculation of Time" (Collected Legislation of the Russian Federation, 2011, No. 23, Art. 3247; 2014, No. 30, Art. 4249; 2016, No. 1 , art.73; no. 7, art. 915; no. 11, art. 1484, 1485, 1486, 1496; no. 15, art. 2049; no. 18, art. 2485; no. 27, art. 4204; no. 48, art. . 6735; 2018, No. 42, Art. 6382) the following changes: 1) paragraph 2 after the words "Vladimir region," add the words " Volgograd region, " ; 2) in clause 3, the words " Volgograd region, " shall be deleted . Article 2 This Federal Law shall enter into force on December 27, 2020 at 2:00 am . The president Of the Russian Federation V.Putin" says that the Volgograd region will use the same time as the Vladimir region (Moscow time) in future, and so should be abbreviated *MSK* not +03, as in your current patch. diff --git a/europe b/europe --- a/europe +++ b/europe @@ -2914,7 +2914,7 @@ Zone Europe/Volgograd 2:57:40 - LMT 1920 Jan 3 3:00 Russia +03/+04 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 4:00 - +04 2014 Oct 26 2:00s 3:00 - +03 2018 Oct 28 2:00s 4:00 - +04 2020 Dec 27 2:00s - 3:00 - +03 + 3:00 - MSK # From Paul Eggert (2016-11-11): -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. [Data in binary units and prefixes, physical quantities in SI.]
On 12/22/20 4:16 PM, Brian Inglis wrote:
so should be abbreviated *MSK* not +03, as in your current patch.
Yes, that's a tricky one. We've been using +03 for this sort of thing elsewhere (and you can see that in the earlier lines for Europe/Volgograd); the patch merely followed in that tradition. Personally I'd rather get out of the business of deciding which instances of +03 were Moscow time and which were not, partly because Moscow wasn't always +03 and figuring out all this stuff is more trouble than it's worth. So perhaps it'd be better to be more consistent and to use MSK with Europe/Moscow (for backward compatibility, if nothing else), and to use +03 in other Zones.
Thanks, I also see this has updated on the Duma's legislation tracker as well and is showing as signed into law. I've installed the attached patch to commentary, and Paul and I will be working on cutting a release soon. -- Tim Parenti On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 03:55, Stepan Golosunov <stepan@golosunov.pp.ru> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:06:08PM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
On 12/4/20 12:34 PM, Stepan Golosunov wrote:
Currently proposed text for the second reading (expected on Decemeber 8) on https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/1012130-7 changes the date to December 27.
Thanks for the heads-up. It looks like I may have jumped the gun a little bit by installing the effective-December-20 change into the tzdb development sources. Still, it seems more likely that Volgograd will change on December 27, than that it won't change at all. So I installed the attached proposed patch to do that. I'd like to see what happens next week (or the week later or whatever), to make sure the change is final, before generating a new tzdb release.
The law was published today on http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001202012220002
On 2020-12-23 05:09:06 (+0800), Tim Parenti wrote:
I've installed the attached patch to commentary, and Paul and I will be working on cutting a release soon.
Five days notice is pretty extreme even by the generous standards we're accustomed to... If any FreeBSD users are reading along: the src tree is currently frozen for migration to Git and we don't do errata notices this time of year anyway. I will merge the new release to FreeBSD-CURRENT as soon as the tree opens again (probably tomorrow). An erratum against supported releases won't happen until somewhen in January. Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Alternative Enterprises
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