Regarding Wikipedia entry
Hi, This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column. Cheers, Jens -- Jens Tröger http://savage.light-speed.de/
Jens Tröger wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List
I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column.
This mailing list isn't connected to Wikipedia, so it's not the best place to report bugs there. I believe you can correct the Wikipedia page yourself, by clicking on the "Edit" tab. Or you can report the bug by pressing the "New section" tab here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_tz_database_time_zones
On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Jens Tröger wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column.
This mailing list isn't connected to Wikipedia, so it's not the best place to report bugs there. I believe you can correct the Wikipedia page yourself, by clicking on the "Edit" tab.
Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
Or you can report the bug by pressing the "New section" tab here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_tz_database_time_zones
Of the two actions (fix or report), the first is preferable.
Thanks! That is odd though, because the source of the wiki page has the following comment: ******************************* NOTE TO EDITORS: This table shows the information from the source documents. Please send any corrections to the tz mailing list (<tz@iana.org>) rather than editing here. Notes can be made in the last (Notes) column for any non-link row (i.e. where that column is empty). Any other changes may get lost the next time the table is updated from the IANA source. When updating from tz, it will be necessary to retain the disambiguations in the 3rd column wikilinks, and the lack of wikilinking on some of them, since some of the non-standard legacy zone names are either redlinks or link to the wrong articles otherwise. ******************************* Cheers, Jens On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 12:37:38AM -0800, Guy Harris wrote:
On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Jens Tröger wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column.
This mailing list isn't connected to Wikipedia, so it's not the best place to report bugs there. I believe you can correct the Wikipedia page yourself, by clicking on the "Edit" tab.
Yes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
Or you can report the bug by pressing the "New section" tab here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_tz_database_time_zones
Of the two actions (fix or report), the first is preferable.
-- Jens Tröger http://savage.light-speed.de/
Jens Troger wrote:
Thanks! That is odd though, because the source of the wiki page has the following comment:
The real substance of the table comes from the tzdb, but the details of layout and wiki markup come from somewhere else. Evidently someone on the Wikipedia side has some automation that takes the tzdb and generates this table from it. It is that automation that decides how to wikilink the country codes. If you think they should be changed, you'll need to locate that automation. -zefram
On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Zefram <zefram@fysh.org> wrote:
Jens Troger wrote:
Thanks! That is odd though, because the source of the wiki page has the following comment:
The real substance of the table comes from the tzdb, but the details of layout and wiki markup come from somewhere else. Evidently someone on the Wikipedia side has some automation that takes the tzdb and generates this table from it. It is that automation that decides how to wikilink the country codes. If you think they should be changed, you'll need to locate that automation.
The editor history suggests it's Matt Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mj1856) who normally does the updates, possibly automatically though that is not obvious. paul
The editor history suggests it's Matt Johnson who normally does the updates, possibly automatically though that is not obvious.
Yes, I've been doing them since 2015g with some C# code I wrote. It pulls down the existing Wikipedia page, extracts all the commentary, hyperlinks, etc. Then regenerates the list using the latest tzdb, preserving the things it extracted. I then diff the old and new content manually, clean up any discrepancies or noise, and then paste it manually back to Wikipedia. I haven't open-sourced this particular bit of code, because of the manual steps, and that it was written somewhat hastily. I probably should clean it up and make it publicly available, or re-write it into whatever automation Wikipedia normally uses. I'm really not sure who made the original automation, but they let it go stale and stopped running it, so I stepped in. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any. -Matt
I don't know where the original automation is, but I've been the one keeping it in sync with tzdb for the last several versions, just because I couldn't stand it going stale for so long. The editor comment is with regard to the time zone data itself, not where links are pointing. The links are an entirely Wikipedia-specific concern. Feel free to update them. -Matt ________________________________ From: tz-bounces@iana.org <tz-bounces@iana.org> on behalf of Zefram <zefram@fysh.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:17 PM To: Jens Troger Cc: Time zone mailing list Subject: Re: [tz] Regarding Wikipedia entry Jens Troger wrote:
Thanks! That is odd though, because the source of the wiki page has the following comment:
The real substance of the table comes from the tzdb, but the details of layout and wiki markup come from somewhere else. Evidently someone on the Wikipedia side has some automation that takes the tzdb and generates this table from it. It is that automation that decides how to wikilink the country codes. If you think they should be changed, you'll need to locate that automation. -zefram
It looks like there is some automated machinery that generates that page from the tzdata release, and that machinery makes ISO 3361-1 links rather than ISO 3361-2 links. 3361-1 seems correct since that lists country codes, while 3361-2 is for subdivision codes. zone.tab has country codes there. If it's really desirable to change this, the answer is to track down the machinery that does the work and change it. I can't tell where that is; the page doesn't say, nor is that information in the page source as far as I can tell. paul
On Nov 7, 2017, at 4:27 AM, Jens Tröger <jens.troeger@light-speed.de> wrote:
Thanks! That is odd though, because the source of the wiki page has the following comment:
******************************* NOTE TO EDITORS: This table shows the information from the source documents. Please send any corrections to the tz mailing list (<tz@iana.org>) rather than editing here. Notes can be made in the last (Notes) column for any non-link row (i.e. where that column is empty). Any other changes may get lost the next time the table is updated from the IANA source. When updating from tz, it will be necessary to retain the disambiguations in the 3rd column wikilinks, and the lack of wikilinking on some of them, since some of the non-standard legacy zone names are either redlinks or link to the wrong articles otherwise. *******************************
Cheers, Jens
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 12:37:38AM -0800, Guy Harris wrote:
On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Jens Tröger wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column.
This mailing list isn't connected to Wikipedia, so it's not the best place to report bugs there. I believe you can correct the Wikipedia page yourself, by clicking on the "Edit" tab.
Yes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
Or you can report the bug by pressing the "New section" tab here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_tz_database_time_zones
Of the two actions (fix or report), the first is preferable.
-- Jens Tröger http://savage.light-speed.de/
On Tue, Nov 7, 2017, at 16:20, Paul.Koning@dell.com wrote:
It looks like there is some automated machinery that generates that page from the tzdata release, and that machinery makes ISO 3361-1 links rather than ISO 3361-2 links. 3361-1 seems correct since that lists country codes, while 3361-2 is for subdivision codes. zone.tab has country codes there.
If it's really desirable to change this, the answer is to track down the machinery that does the work and change it. I can't tell where that is; the page doesn't say, nor is that information in the page source as far as I can tell.
You could ask the user who has been making the edits (this can be determined by looking at the page history) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mj1856
El 07/11/17 a las 04:37, Guy Harris escribió:
On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
Jens Tröger wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page) That applies to _all_ entries in the first column. This mailing list isn't connected to Wikipedia, so it's not the best place to report bugs there. I believe you can correct the Wikipedia page yourself, by clicking on the "Edit" tab. Yes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
Or you can report the bug by pressing the "New section" tab here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_tz_database_time_zones Of the two actions (fix or report), the first is preferable.
You are right. Both. I am working about it (Wikipedia). Best regards from Venezuela, Jimmy Olano.
On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Jens Tröger <jens.troeger@light-speed.de> wrote:
This is regarding the following table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones#List
I believe that the links in the first column CC are incorrect: they link to [[ISO_3166-1:CI|CI]] (link to the country) instead of [[ISO_3166-2:CI|CI]] (link to the timezone page)
Presumably by "timezone page" you meant "page for the ISO 3166-2 values for the subdivisions of the country referred to by the country code in question"; the [[ISO-3166-2:xx]] pages have nothing to do with the tzdb. For example, [[ISO_3166-2:CI]] links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:CI which is the page for "the entry for the Ivory Coast in ISO 3166-2, giving the subdivisions of the Ivory Coast and their ISO 3166-2 values"; [[ISO_3166-1:CI]] links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_Coast So why *should* the link go to a page giving ISO 3166-2 codes for the subdivisions of the country in question - which do *not* necessarily correspond to tzdb zones - rather than to the page for the country in question?
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