Dear All There is an error in name of the capital city of Ukraine - Kiev ('Київ' in Ukrainian language). Kiev is the transliteration of the city name from Russian language. The only correct transliteration is Kyiv. Please update the name. Best regards. *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/>
On 2/4/22 14:18, Євген Доманський via tz wrote:
There is an error in name of the capital city of Ukraine - Kiev ('Київ' in Ukrainian language).
Thanks, we're aware of the effort to change the English-language spelling of Київ and this has been a periodic source of discussion on the tz mailing list. I recently proposed a transition plan for Europe/Kiev → Europe/Kyiv here: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2020-November/029542.html and I suggest you review that email thread. There's no rush; tzdb tends to move slowly about these things, due to software compatibility concerns. By the way, the choice of spelling should not be important to end users, as the tzdb spelling is not intended to be visible to them. End users should see their preferred spelling which would typically be Київ, but could also be Kyiv, Kijev, Kyjev, Kijów, Кіеў, Κίεβο, Kænugarður, 基輔, or whatever else is appropriate for the user's locale. The Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR) is a good source for these localized names; see <http://cldr.unicode.org/>. If your software application is exposing the string "Europe/Kiev" to users who prefer a different name, please send bug reports mentioning CLDR to the application's developers. Thanks.
It seems that most people only focus on the name but not the data. They could have found some errors about the transitions in 1992-1996 if they had cared about the data. http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020681.html
On 2/7/22 18:33, P Chan wrote:
They could have found some errors about the transitions in 1992-1996 if they had cared about the data.
Thanks for pointing out that 2014 email; somehow I missed it (I don't see it in my personal email records). And thanks to Alois Treindl for sending the 2014 email and my apologies for not acting on it earlier. I installed the attached patch to implement the corrections suggested for Ukraine's central region, along with my guesses as to what happened in the rest of Ukraine from 1992 through 1996. Further corrections are welcome.
Dear All Please correct the errors of recording the name of Kiev According to this link http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020681.html The correct name is Kyiv, it is unclear how it became
Zone Europe/Kiev
Also, there is no
Zone Europe/Zaporozhye
in Ukraine or Europe, it is Europe/Zaporizhzhia Please correct the errors. Best regards, *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> вт, 8 февр. 2022 г. в 22:16, Michael H Deckers < michael.h.deckers@googlemail.com>:
On 2022-02-08 19:58, Paul Eggert via tz wrote:
I installed the attached patch
..with a new Rule Ukraine -- but why? Kiev has used Rule C-Eur in the past -- why not again?
Michael Deckers.
Thanks for the update of the Ukraine zones, Paul. As synchronicity arranges it, I just started today on my end to implement pre-1970 zones for Ukraine, to cover more details if its time history. I need another 20 or so zones for Ukraine, to get everything covered. The naming of Europe/Zaporozhye is indeed an issue. I do not want to get involved in the Kiev/Kiyv issue. I am used to Kiev (or Kiew in German). But Zaporozhye is indeed an odd choice. So if you ever give in on Kiev, Paul, please revise also Zaporozhye and Uzhgorod at the same time. Simferopol seems undisputed. On 08.02.22 21:37, Євген Доманський wrote:
Dear All
Please correct the errors of recording the name of Kiev According to this link http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020681.html The correct name is Kyiv, it is unclear how it became
Zone Europe/Kiev
Also, there is no
Zone Europe/Zaporozhye
in Ukraine or Europe, it is Europe/Zaporizhzhia
Please correct the errors.
See the attached images about how my zone set looks, compared to the TZ variant with 4 zones On 08.02.22 23:29, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
Thanks for the update of the Ukraine zones, Paul. As synchronicity arranges it, I just started today on my end to implement pre-1970 zones for Ukraine, to cover more details if its time history. I need another 20 or so zones for Ukraine, to get everything covered.
The naming of Europe/Zaporozhye is indeed an issue.
I do not want to get involved in the Kiev/Kiyv issue. I am used to Kiev (or Kiew in German).
But Zaporozhye is indeed an odd choice.
So if you ever give in on Kiev, Paul, please revise also Zaporozhye and Uzhgorod at the same time. Simferopol seems undisputed.
On 08.02.22 21:37, Євген Доманський wrote:
Dear All
Please correct the errors of recording the name of Kiev According to this link http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020681.html The correct name is Kyiv, it is unclear how it became
Zone Europe/Kiev
Also, there is no
Zone Europe/Zaporozhye
in Ukraine or Europe, it is Europe/Zaporizhzhia
Please correct the errors.
On 2022-02-08 15:33, alois at astro.ch (Alois Treindl) wrote:
On 08.02.22 23:29, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
On 08.02.22 21:37, ????? ?????????? wrote:
See the attached images about how my zone set looks, compared to the TZ variant with 4 zones
Thanks for the update of the Ukraine zones, Paul. As synchronicity arranges it, I just started today on my end to implement pre-1970 zones for Ukraine, to cover more details if its time history. I need another 20 or so zones for Ukraine, to get everything covered. The naming of Europe/Zaporozhye is indeed an issue. I do not want to get involved in the Kiev/Kiyv issue. I am used to Kiev (or Kiew in German). But Zaporozhye is indeed an odd choice. So if you ever give in on Kiev, Paul, please revise also Zaporozhye and Uzhgorod at the same time. Simferopol seems undisputed.
Please correct the errors of recording the name of Kiev According to this link http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-March/020681.html The correct name is Kyiv, it is unclear how it became Zone Europe/Kiev Also, there is no Zone Europe/Zaporozhye in Ukraine or Europe, it is Europe/Zaporizhzhia Please correct the errors.
Please also bear in mind the current 2nd level geographical domains and their spellings used in Ukraine (and those just reserved for future use) by the UA CC TLD admins: https://hostmaster.ua/2ld/ and their transliteration rules from Cyrillic into Latin: https://hostmaster.ua/docs/ The page language drop down supports English, Ukrainian, or Russian. [Please CC any replies as still having ML delivery issues with ISP!] -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. [Data in binary units and prefixes, physical quantities in SI.]
On 2/8/22 14:29, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
So if you ever give in on Kiev, Paul, please revise also Zaporozhye and Uzhgorod at the same time.
For what it's worth here's a quick Google search now, from UCLA. Of course this is not definitive; we'd need to do a lot more work to get a real feel for the English-language spelling popularity. All numbers are approximate (Google says "about N results"). 182,000,000 results for "Kiev" 60,300,000 results for "Kyiv" 9,150,000 results for "Zaporozhye" 1,260,000 results for "Zaporizhzhia" 7,120,000 results for "Uzhgorod" 1,760,000 results for "Uzhhorod"
On 2/8/22 12:16, Michael H Deckers wrote:
..with a new Rule Ukraine -- but why? Kiev has used Rule C-Eur in the past -- why not again?
Oh, good point. That's simpler. I installed that. Attached is the combined effect of today's patches so far.
On 2022-02-09 01:48, Paul Eggert remarked:
Attached is the combined effect of today's patches so far.
Yes, it goes on. While Simferopol is "like Kiev", a change in Kiev may affect Simferopol. (A systematic classification of references may be useful in keeping the tzdb data consistent.) Michael Deckers.
Dear All Please clarify if
Zone Europe/Kiev
is corrected to
Zone Europe/Kyiv
Thank you *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> ср, 9 февр. 2022 г. в 17:01, Michael H Deckers < michael.h.deckers@googlemail.com>:
On 2022-02-09 01:48, Paul Eggert remarked:
Attached is the combined effect of today's patches so far.
Yes, it goes on. While Simferopol is "like Kiev", a change in Kiev may affect Simferopol. (A systematic classification of references may be useful in keeping the tzdb data consistent.)
Michael Deckers.
Hi The is a mistake in time zone for Ukraine [image: image.png] Please correct the mistake *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> ср, 22 июн. 2022 г. в 21:08, Євген Доманський <dom.eugene@gmail.com>:
Dear All
Please clarify if
Zone Europe/Kiev
is corrected to
Zone Europe/Kyiv
Thank you
*Yevhen Domanskyi*
*Study Coordinator*
Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology
Dnipro State Medical University
31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine
*Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92
*e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com
Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/>
ср, 9 февр. 2022 г. в 17:01, Michael H Deckers < michael.h.deckers@googlemail.com>:
On 2022-02-09 01:48, Paul Eggert remarked:
Attached is the combined effect of today's patches so far.
Yes, it goes on. While Simferopol is "like Kiev", a change in Kiev may affect Simferopol. (A systematic classification of references may be useful in keeping the tzdb data consistent.)
Michael Deckers.
On 6/22/22 13:08, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please clarify if
Zone Europe/Kiev is corrected to
Zone Europe/Kyiv
Yes, see: https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/e13e9c531fc48a04fb8d064acccc9f8ae68d5544 and this is planned to appear in the next TZDB release.
Dear Paul Please advise how often you release TZDB? When will the next TZDB release happen? Who is responsible for the TZDB release? Best regards, *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> ср, 22 июн. 2022 г. в 21:35, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>:
On 6/22/22 13:08, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please clarify if
Zone Europe/Kiev is corrected to
Zone Europe/Kyiv
Yes, see:
https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/e13e9c531fc48a04fb8d064acccc9f8ae68d5544
and this is planned to appear in the next TZDB release.
On 6/22/22 13:47, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please advise how often you release TZDB? When will the next TZDB release happen? Who is responsible for the TZDB releaqse?
There's no fixed schedule. There were five releases in 2021, six in 2020, three in 2019, nine in 2018, and so forth. Releases are typically made when there are relatively pressing time zone issues; changing the English spelling of Київ is not urgent. For responsibility, please see "TZ Coordinator" in <https://www.iana.org/time-zones>.
One of your discussions says that the issue has been resolved (see screenshot below) Why do I not see the change? [image: image.png] *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> чт, 23 июн. 2022 г. в 06:47, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>:
On 6/22/22 13:47, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please advise how often you release TZDB? When will the next TZDB release happen? Who is responsible for the TZDB releaqse?
There's no fixed schedule. There were five releases in 2021, six in 2020, three in 2019, nine in 2018, and so forth. Releases are typically made when there are relatively pressing time zone issues; changing the English spelling of Київ is not urgent. For responsibility, please see "TZ Coordinator" in <https://www.iana.org/time-zones>.
The change has not yet been released. Releases are made as needed for updates to time zones themselves, not just naming changes. Jacob Pratt On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:16 Євген Доманський via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
One of your discussions says that the issue has been resolved (see screenshot below) Why do I not see the change?
[image: image.png]
*Yevhen Domanskyi*
*Study Coordinator*
Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology
Dnipro State Medical University
31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine
*Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92
*e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com
Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/>
чт, 23 июн. 2022 г. в 06:47, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>:
On 6/22/22 13:47, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please advise how often you release TZDB? When will the next TZDB release happen? Who is responsible for the TZDB releaqse?
There's no fixed schedule. There were five releases in 2021, six in 2020, three in 2019, nine in 2018, and so forth. Releases are typically made when there are relatively pressing time zone issues; changing the English spelling of Київ is not urgent. For responsibility, please see "TZ Coordinator" in <https://www.iana.org/time-zones>.
Hello All How awful of you to say that, quote "Releases are made as needed for updates to time zones themselves, not just naming changes." I have found _quickly_ released version 2014b on 25-th of March 2014, 9 (nine) days after unlawful annexation of Crimea by ruzzia and 5 (five) days before announced time shift, just to force feed this act and assist terrorist state in "de-facto" occupation. Only a "hint" from rushist Alexander Krivenyshev was enough at that time for Paul to do this. I'm sorry that you support russia but be brave and do the right thing now!!! Best regards *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> чт, 23 июн. 2022 г. в 18:19, Jacob Pratt <jacob@jhpratt.dev>:
The change has not yet been released. Releases are made as needed for updates to time zones themselves, not just naming changes.
Jacob Pratt
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:16 Євген Доманський via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
One of your discussions says that the issue has been resolved (see screenshot below) Why do I not see the change?
[image: image.png]
*Yevhen Domanskyi*
*Study Coordinator*
Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology
Dnipro State Medical University
31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine
*Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92
*e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com
Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/>
чт, 23 июн. 2022 г. в 06:47, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>:
On 6/22/22 13:47, Євген Доманський wrote:
Please advise how often you release TZDB? When will the next TZDB release happen? Who is responsible for the TZDB releaqse?
There's no fixed schedule. There were five releases in 2021, six in 2020, three in 2019, nine in 2018, and so forth. Releases are typically made when there are relatively pressing time zone issues; changing the English spelling of Київ is not urgent. For responsibility, please see "TZ Coordinator" in <https://www.iana.org/time-zones>.
On 6/24/22 08:40, Євген Доманський wrote:
How awful of you to say that, quote "Releases are made as needed for updates to time zones themselves, not just naming changes." I have found_quickly_ released version 2014b on 25-th of March 2014
That was a time zone change, not a naming change. Do not be so quick to condemn a process you do not fully understand.
Unfortunately, numbers and data speaks for itself: "9 days after annexation of Crimea and 5 days before announced time shift" in comparison: my request for Kyiv since Jan 2022 - nothing done till this day I kindly ask you to correct the error as quickly as possible Thank you *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> пт, 24 июн. 2022 г. в 16:49, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>:
On 6/24/22 08:40, Євген Доманський wrote:
How awful of you to say that, quote "Releases are made as needed for updates to time zones themselves, not just naming changes." I have found_quickly_ released version 2014b on 25-th of March 2014
That was a time zone change, not a naming change. Do not be so quick to condemn a process you do not fully understand.
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 17:03:26 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?0ITQstCz0LXQvSDQlNC+0LzQsNC90YHRjNC60LjQuQ==?= via tz <tz@iana.org> Message-ID: <CAN5-cQyA8=J+8F-BgMmsYaZ+6cFjHvqCcFG=KiiehwTDCqYyVw@mail.gmail.com> Read your own words: | Unfortunately, numbers and data speaks for itself: | "... and 5 days before announced time shift" The results of conversions were going to be incorrect. Whether you like that it happened or not is irrelevant. It happened. | in comparison: my request for Kyiv since Jan 2022 - nothing done till this | day Once again, the change has been made, just not in a release yet. There hasn't been any need for a new release, no timezones have changed. New releases are costly for lots of organisations, they're only made when they are actually needed. | I kindly ask you to correct the error as quickly as possible It isn't, and never was, an "error" - the English spelling of the capitol of Ukraine was Kiev, for a long long time. Note that is not a transliteration of anything, from any language, it was simply what the English speaking world called that city. That seems to have altered now (perhaps for the wrong reasons, but never mind, it seems it has.) But that name is merely a cosmetic issue, it affects nothing that matters, except your vanity. Please stop sending messages about this, or some of us will start requesting that the change be reversed (never released) just as a way of annoying you as much as you're annoying everyone here. kre
On 24/06/2022 15:03, Євген Доманський via tz wrote:
Unfortunately, numbers and data speaks for itself: "9 days after annexation of Crimea and 5 days before announced time shift"
in comparison: my request for Kyiv since Jan 2022 - nothing done till this day
You should really be comparing with the time for other time zone name changes to be released: * Pacific/Enderbury to Pacific/Kanton, committed 2021-05-28, released 2021-09-24 (2021b), 119 days. * America/Godthab to America/Nuuk, committed 2019-11-19, released 2020-04-23 (2020a), 156 days. * Asia/Rangoon to Asia/Yangon, committed 2016-09-08, released 2016-09-13 (2016g), 5 days. * Asia/Calcutta to Asia/Kolkata and Asia/Saigon to Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh, committed 2008-03-18, released 2008-03-24(?) (2008b), 6(?) days. My comments: 1. The Asia/Calcutta and Asia/Saigon naming changes pre-date the current maintainership by Paul Eggert, but there do not appear to be any non-naming changes prior to release. Releases seemed more frequent back in those days. 2. The Asia/Rangoon naming change was around the same time as urgent changes to Turkey's time zone information. -- -=( Ian Abbott <abbotti@mev.co.uk> || MEV Ltd. is a company )=- -=( registered in England & Wales. Regd. number: 02862268. )=- -=( Regd. addr.: S11 & 12 Building 67, Europa Business Park, )=- -=( Bird Hall Lane, STOCKPORT, SK3 0XA, UK. || www.mev.co.uk )=-
Hello You should really be comparing with the time for other time zone name
changes to be released:
I did, but the change did happen only after a comment from rushist Alexander Krivenyshev to Paul about data change in annexed Crimea. While I am commenting about the change since January 2022, and till this date - no change!!! Even more, the name Kyiv has been used world-side since the V century and yet no change till this date. I assume you have already had more than one time zone release to correct the mistake. Please correct the mistake as quickly as possible, since there is no Kyiv in Time Zone database Thank you *Yevhen Domanskyi* *Study Coordinator* Department of Oncology and Medical Radiology Dnipro State Medical University 31, Blyzhnya Str., Dnipro, 49102, Ukraine *Mobile*: +380 93 060 26 92 *e-mail: *dom.eugene@gmail.com Website: http://www.sitetv.net/ <http:/www.sitetv.net/> пт, 24 июн. 2022 г. в 20:17, Ian Abbott <abbotti@mev.co.uk>:
On 24/06/2022 15:03, Євген Доманський via tz wrote:
Unfortunately, numbers and data speaks for itself: "9 days after annexation of Crimea and 5 days before announced time shift"
in comparison: my request for Kyiv since Jan 2022 - nothing done till this day
You should really be comparing with the time for other time zone name changes to be released:
* Pacific/Enderbury to Pacific/Kanton, committed 2021-05-28, released 2021-09-24 (2021b), 119 days.
* America/Godthab to America/Nuuk, committed 2019-11-19, released 2020-04-23 (2020a), 156 days.
* Asia/Rangoon to Asia/Yangon, committed 2016-09-08, released 2016-09-13 (2016g), 5 days.
* Asia/Calcutta to Asia/Kolkata and Asia/Saigon to Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh, committed 2008-03-18, released 2008-03-24(?) (2008b), 6(?) days.
My comments:
1. The Asia/Calcutta and Asia/Saigon naming changes pre-date the current maintainership by Paul Eggert, but there do not appear to be any non-naming changes prior to release. Releases seemed more frequent back in those days.
2. The Asia/Rangoon naming change was around the same time as urgent changes to Turkey's time zone information.
-- -=( Ian Abbott <abbotti@mev.co.uk> || MEV Ltd. is a company )=- -=( registered in England & Wales. Regd. number: 02862268. )=- -=( Regd. addr.: S11 & 12 Building 67, Europa Business Park, )=- -=( Bird Hall Lane, STOCKPORT, SK3 0XA, UK. || www.mev.co.uk )=-
Євген Доманський пише:
I have found _quickly_ released version 2014b on 25-th of March 2014, 9 (nine) days after unlawful annexation of Crimea by ruzzia and 5 (five) days before announced time shift, just to force feed this act and assist terrorist state in "de-facto" occupation. Only a "hint" from rushist Alexander Krivenyshev was enough at that time for Paul to do this.
I'm sorry that you support russia but be brave and do the right thing now!!!
Apologies for length. This thread is taking the wrong approach and tone. The purpose of the tz database is to provide accurate time zone information. It allows primarily computers, and incidentally human readers, to determine local time adjustments. It is NOT maintained as either a political tool OR a primary source of user-interface information. Time zone identifiers are meant to be stable, and to uniquely identify time zones. There is an additional attempt to make the names reflect the most common English name for each location, to help human users. The identifiers are NOT meant to be user-interface strings (although many systems use them that way) and they are NOT normative references to the "correct" spelling of a name, especially one transliterated from another writing system. People have engaged for years (long before January 2022) in a campaign to get the identifier "Europe/Kiev" changed to "Europe/Kyiv". Most have stated or implied that "Kyiv" is a better spelling because it is closer to the Ukrainian name than to the Russian name. This campaign has intensified since the invasion of Ukraine and has become more focused on the "legitimacy" of using a Russian name for a Ukrainian city which is now threatened by Russia. All of these considerations are political and are NOT within the scope of the tz database. The name is being changed now because the "most common English version" has changed, largely due to media coverage of the invasion. To clarify, the previous spelling "Kiev" was chosen quite intentionally, to reflect the name most commonly used in English-language contexts. It is not a "mistake" or a "bug," and it is not being "corrected." It is being updated to reflect changes in common usage. Many have pointed out that although the change has not yet made its way to a released version, it will be present when the next version is released. That explanation, thankfully, is replacing earlier curt notes that "we've already made this change," which were confusing and unhelpful to people who looked at the latest released version and didn't see it. By contrast, as Paul noted, the change in 2014 was due to an actual change in time reckoning: the local time in Crimea did change. Whether this was due to an illegal occupation of Crimea by Russia is NOT relevant. The purpose of the tz database is to provide accurate time zone information. As can be seen from other comments in the 'europe' data file, Alexander Krivenyshev has provided several other helpful contributions to the accuracy of the database. His contributions have been applied to the database on the strength of their verifiable accuracy, not because of his nationality. Accusing valued, experience, volunteer maintainers of a public resource of unfairness, favoritism, cowardice, etc. is a great way to drive those volunteers to become discouraged and leave the project, which would benefit nobody. Please do not do this. -- Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022, Євген Доманський wrote:
Why do I not see the change?
Aside from whether the master database was changed (it was, on 13 Apr 2022) there's still the matter of when the changes will appear at large. That depends not only upon when a new release of TZDB is made but also on the makers of the software used which includes the device makers. In general expect that it may take a year, though it might be sooner, or never if updates aren't made available or aren't applied, e.g., I will never see it change on my phone since the maker no longer produces updates for my model. /mark
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