| ] Sorry, I haven't had time to think through the issue of Australian | ] time zone abbreviations yet. If I recall correctly, we have so far: | ] | ] * one well-researched proposal to change from EST/EST etc to AEST/AEDT etc; | ] * one second. | ] * one dissenting vote to leave it at is. | ] * my own brief research indicating that Australians themselves are | ] not consistent | ] | ] Right now we have to get the Mexican patches out, so I'll leave the | ] Australian abbreviations alone for now, but I'd like more votes and/or | ] research if possible. | | Thanks for leaving EST/EST vs AEST/AEDT in the pending queue. | I think that's the best place for it at the moment. | | We don't want a repeat of the LHI thing last year where we changed | tzdata and then changed it back again. If we change it, we should | first confirm that the proposed change is right *and* confirm that | the existing tzdata is wrong. | | I could say that AEST/AEDT is `right' in the sense that is it fairly | widely used and understood in Australia. But I think the jury is | still out on whether EST/EST is wrong (I'd say EST/EST is also widely | used and understood). In the absence of legislative prescription[1], there can be no positively `right' answer for Australia; but there are sensible and less sensible answers. Although those of us who are humans can manage quite well when we are trying to interpret Australian time zones, the task is more difficult for software. Far too many mail clients just use the `EST' or whatever string they find and this leaves other programs in the invidious position of having to determine which `EST' is meant: is it US Eastern Standard Time; is it Australian Eastern Standard Time; or is it Australian Eastern Summer Time? When those unfortunate pieces of software are asked to sort a mailbox by date, how do they disambiguate these? Obviously, if the original mailer does the right thing and puts `+1000' or whatever in the date field, there is no problem; but far too many mailers do not do this. We can't fix all those mailers, nor can we stop people from using them. So what we need to do is provide a mechanism that is unambiguous to assist all the users who have to work with Australian time zones. Even though the choice of `AEST/AEDT' can be criticised on various grounds, the important thing it has going for it is that it disambiguates these Australian zones from each other and from US `EST'. This is clearly a Good Thing and nobody has shown any harmful effects that it might cause. Nor has anybody shown any better mechanism to do the disambiguating. Further research is not going to help here; we need a solution that does something useful and the `AEST/AEDT' proposal is the only one that stands a chance of being acceptable for that. ---------- [1] The lack of legislation is, I think, a Good Thing. Our political masters have never demonstrated any intelligence when it comes to issues like this and they would be almost certain to invent some truly dreadful `solution' to this.