I know it doesn't help for the moment, but perhaps the list should be more obviously NOT authoritative by taking a pluralist view. It could take an exclusive pluralist view and have a country called "disputed". Or it could take an inclusive pluralist view where disputed zones appear in all the places people would look. Julian Cable -----Original Message----- From: tz-bounces@iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of lennox@cs.columbia.edu Sent: 17 March 2014 17:04 To: Paul_Koning@Dell.com Cc: tz@iana.org Subject: Re: [tz] Crimea to switch to Moscow Time as of March 30, 2014 On Monday, March 17 2014, "Paul_Koning@Dell.com" wrote to "<lennox@cs.columbia.edu>, <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, <tz@iana.org>" saying:
On Mar 17, 2014, at 12:16 PM, <lennox@cs.columbia.edu> <lennox@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
... The other, politically fraught, issue for the tzdb is going to be how to mark Europe/Simferopol and any other new Crimean timezones in zone.tab, i.e. whether they should keep being categorized as UA or changed to RU. My suggestion would be to leave them as UA until such time as Crimea's accession to Russia is internationally recognized, or the situation otherwise changes.
Though it pains me to say so, I don’t agree. We’ve had a whole lot of debate on this list about whether TZ entries should have the blessing of some “authority”. The current approach, I believe, is that it is intended to reflect the reality on the ground, and official blessing is not directly relevent. That’s why there are (or were, or were planned to be) entries for places like Transnistria or Taiwan.
I absolutely agree that the entries for Europe/Simferopol should reflect what people are actually doing to their clocks in Simferopol, regardless of what the government in Kiev may think *should* be happening there. The question I have is how it should be described in zone.tab. This is more fraught -- though, on reflection, I think I've changed my mind from my initial position. The question is, how would a Crimean user of tzselect expect to find the entry for their local timezone? And the answer probably is, they would expect to find it by selecting "Russia", rather than "Ukraine". -- Jonathan Lennox lennox@cs.columbia.edu ----------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -----------------------------