It probably won't help to keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Maybe if we quit paying attention to them, they'll go away. --Bill Seymour On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 5:46 AM Ian Abbott via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
On 27/06/2022 21:32, Petro Ord wrote:
Theory and pragmatics of the tz code and data says to "Use mainstream English spelling", popular is not quite a synonym to mainstream. With that being said, Kyiv became mainstream in 1991.
You may have considered it mainstream in 1991, but the English language media took its time catching up.
I think the first mention on the mailing list that Europe/Kyiv might be preferable (but not a request for change) was this post:
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2007-May/014365.html
Then we have to wait nearly another 7 years for a post from an actual Ukrainian (I presume their nationality from context) requesting a name change:
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-April/020837.html
There has been a steady stream of requests on the list since then, but the position has always been that the most prevalent spelling in the English language should be used. That has been reviewed by the TZ Coordinator (a.k.a. the maintainer, Paul Eggert) and others several times over the intervening years and was finally deemed to have flipped over in favour of the Kyiv spelling earlier this year. It was always likely to happen sometime as the Kyiv spelling gradually gained in popularity.
How can you evaluate significance of the existing zone names, if the requests and messages are neglected? Look at the answer I've got from Paul Eggart: "The list is being moderated to suppress spam by people who are repeatedly lobbying for the spelling change. I forgot that, and cc'ed to the list. I should have just replied to you privately." That is quite intolerable to all Ukrainians and Ukraine-related issues.
I'm sure it saves a lot of bandwidth discussing a barrage of requests for a change already that was already under consideration as part of an ongoing review process. I'm sure most of those posters did not take the time to search through the archives of the mailing list for similar discussions. The ones that did, and had something new to add would have been let through.
And again, who is in charge to define the change to be important? If it is one person - what is the meaning of such discussions, if it is the community - then why is the "repeated' request ignored?
The answers to "who is in charge?" and general procedure questions is in RFC 6557 <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6557.html>.
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