Thank, you Robert! It never occurred to me that eve and evening could be something different - and perhaps I have also the handicap that Christmas Eve in Denmark is where all the fun stuff happens, exchanging gifts, dancing around the Christmas tree etc. and there is nothing special about Christmas Day (the day after, as I understand it). While in the US the presents are received on Christmas Day. I think also that it would be strange to start a new period like Ramadan having the first day different than the rest. But if we can get a clearer web link or a notification from Hammad Hassan where we don't have to second guess anything - that would be nice. Of course it would be even nicer if the international community would recognize that there should be an "ombudsman" (or office) of timezone issues, to which each country must inform about their plans for time changes, or else ... Of course, I'm dreaming, that will never happen, and I guess it's just like human rights etc. the countries that will respond (and report time changes some time before they happen) are the ones that are already doing it correctly, and in an organized manner. Regards, - Jesper -----Original Message----- From: Robert Elz [mailto:kre@munnari.OZ.AU] # The eve of a day is not the same as the evening of the day, it means the # day before the day concerned (hence Christmas Eve is Dec 24 ...)