Sorry, I did not post this to the correct thread. My apologies. David Cochrane ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cochrane" <davidc@astrosoftware.com> To: <tz@iana.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: confirmation of historical DST changes in Ukraine
Gary How wrote:
The question for tz database is whether the switch to Urumqi Time in Xinjiang is on 1975 (when it was first announced) or 1986 (when it was more commonly implemented).
Just a confirmation that Urumqi time was implemented in Urumqi on 1 Feb 1986:
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,960684,00.html
I did not subscribe or log in to the site but from the part of the article on this page, it suggests that the article will confirm the Feb 1, 1986 date for the date when people began observing Urumqi time (even if a regulation had already been passed in 1975).
I am fairly new to this group. I also have some confirmation of the DST changes in the Ukraine from newspaper articles in Russian that confirm that the laws passed were put into practice. I can send these as well if this is useful information. I can also gradually submit other historical research information for countries that I have which I believe is not in the TZ database files.
David Cochrane
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary How" <hytar@outlook.com> To: <tz@iana.org> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [tz] China time zones 1949 - 1980: appeal to speakers ofMandarin
Alois Treindl <alois <at> astro.ch> writes:
This seems to be a relevant source: Guo, Qingsheng (2003) "Beijing Time at the Beginning of PRC", China Historical Materials of Science and Technology 24(1)
Hi Alois and Paul, I purchased the journal article (finally after days of figuring out which service allows payment from outside China). From the points Alois raised in his recent email, I try to clarify by using that article, quoting/paraphrasing its English translation.
Various sources claim that this unified country-wide timezone was already introduced in 1949 or early 1950
This particular source says the first meeting of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference passed the resolution of "making Beiping the capital, changing Beiping to Beijing." That was 27 September 1949. On the same day, Beiping Xinhua Radio was renamed with Beijing at the beginning. The next day, that station started using Beijing in its timekeeping call. The earliest written instance of "Beijing Time" found by the author was on 7 October 1949, through a newspaper posting from Xi'an People's Radio. That said, the author inferred that Beijing Time was established on 27 September 1949.
It seems to me that the only source claiming the continuation of 5 time zones for China is the International Atlas by Shanks and Pottenger. The overall work of these authors is extremely valuable, but they do not give a source for their China information.
Paul Eckert says in tz/asia file: # From Paul Eggert (2008-06-30): # There seems to be a good chance China switched to a single time zone in 1949 # rather than in 1980 as Shanks & Pottenger have it, but we don't have a # reliable documentary source saying so yet, so for now we still go with # Shanks & Pottenger.
For time zones in the rest of China after that, Qing-sheng Guo has another journal article in 2001 that discussed these in detail, entitled "A Study on the Standard Time Changes for the Past 100 Years in China," from China Historical Materials of Science and Technology 22(3).
Earlier I mentioned Xi'an radio station referencing Beijing Time. Another written source for this was from the Xi'an People's Government dated 2 November 1949, announcing to stop using Longshu Time (aka Kansu-Szechuan Time, GMT+7) and change to Beijing Time from 3 November 1949 onwards.
10/16/2010 by Jonathan.Hassid <at> uts.edu.au who writes: "The government in Chengdu (capital of Sichuan province) announced the switch (from "Shulong" (Gansu/Sichuan) time) to Beijing time on 27 Dec. 1949.
As for Chengdu, the date 27 December 1949 is stated in the article as "being liberated" during the Communist Revolution. The switch to Beijing Time "was announced ten days or so after that." The author referenced a notice from the Chengdu Garrison Command dated 6 January 1950, to request citizens to adjust their watches through daily sirens at noon Beijing Time. For most other parts of China, they "have used standard time of 120° longitude around the year 1950 to 1953." He dubbed it the "chaotic period", since no government agency announced and enforced this rule of time, instead the cities synced to the unified time at their pace.
In the 2003 article, Guo obtained two independent sources that verified the Beijing Time of 1949 was using apparent/true solar time (GMT+7:56) and not mean solar time (7:46) or standard time of 120° longitude (8:00). However, he had doubts about that, since he thought apparent solar time is a step back to time measurements in the early 20th century, and standard time signals can be obtained easily from overseas stations at the time. The 1954 Chinese Astronomical Almanac mentioned that "except Xinjiang and Tibet, the whole country uses standard time of 120° longitude." He has yet to find out exactly when did Beijing Time switch back to GMT+8 between 1949 and 1954 in the article. I will try to look for later articles that reference this work.
For Tibet, the standard time of 90° longitude was used prior to March 1959, also known as Lhasa Time. After the Tibetan Uprising that month and the Panchen Lama took over, the author surmised that the transition from Lhasa Time to Beijing Time happened at the second half of 1959. He tried to look for "first-hand accounts" on this, but found none so far. On the other hand, Guo said time zone changes for Xinjiang is relatively well documented.
The Revolutionary Committee of Xinjiang and Xinjiang military notified on 9 June 1969, that starting from 1 July 1969, Beijing Time would be put into effect for the entire Xinjiang province. On 7 April 1975, the same committee put out a notice to be enforced on 1 May, that except military, rail-road, civil aviation, postal and telecommunication services, the schedules for government, factories, mines, businesses and schools would use Urumqi Time. Due to poor implementation of this notice, they again informed on 10 June 1977 that "schedules for work, meeting etc. should only use Urumqi Time for the whole province."
In the end, the Xinjiang People's Government decided that starting 1 February 1986, the entire province would use Urumqi Time. Whenever Beijing Time is used, they should be stated explicitly. According to Guo, this particular rule is more effectively put into practice. The question for tz database is whether the switch to Urumqi Time in Xinjiang is on 1975 (when it was first announced) or 1986 (when it was more commonly implemented).
To conclude, all of China currently is in the UTC+8:00 time zone except for Xinjiang province, according to the articles. The central Chinese government still did not made a law to enforce the unified time zone, although it was widely accepted that China has one official time zone. Whether or not the locals all around China follow that standard time, we do not know for sure.
The 2001 article by Guo also has details about Chinese time zones from the 1900s to 1949. We can start a new thread on this if necessary.
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