[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Proyecto de Acuerdo de Asociación Trans Pacífico sobre IP De: hongxueipr@gmail.com

Hmmm, helluva thing.....wonder what the fellas in South Korea, China and India are thinking?

negociación tal vez después de la participación formal de Japón. India no es un país del Pacífico geográficamente, sino que todo depende de interpretación. China se ha sentido fuertemente que está siendo rodeado por esta "Asociación" net por su larga costa del Pacífico. Aunque China tiene expresó su interés en por lo menos observar la negociación por fin Cumbre APEC en noviembre de 2011, se rechazó. Es poco probable que China sería bienvenido en la cumbre de la APEC en estos momentos en Rusia. Hong

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> wrote:

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The TPP will be worse than the SOPA.

Add this to the EFF link:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/27/pacific-free-trade-deal ****

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** http://www.alternet.org/story/156059/trans-pacific_partnership%3A_under_cove...

This was sent to me by one of the members of the ALS that I am a part of. Pay particular attention to the "NAFTA" on steroids bit. What is also interesting is the news that Russia has just signed an MoU with the US strengthening greater partnership, notwithstanding the support that it got from the US in joining the WTO, You can imagine that if Russia is persuaded to join the TPP then the likelihood that they will receive the relevant traction to widen the circle of the TPP Party/Parade will definitely cause the concerns that was raised by the EFF that was shared to us by Carlton, see: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/08/tpp-creates-liabilities-isps-and-put-y... to be a reality in the not too distant future. This means ISP liabilities amongst a host of other things.

On another note, Mr Wu Hongbo is the new Under Secretary General for the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs (UNDESA), see: http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/usg/index.shtml

For developing countries, the concept of "free trade" may sound lucrative but the reality is that it only disadvantages one (the loser). There is no such thing as a free lunch. To see why this is relevant to our discussions, I recommend visiting the link that Carlton shared earlier.

I find the US position on this to be schizophrenic because on one end they are proclaiming an open and free internet and taking extraordinary measures to run miles away from any Treaty negotiations (please note that I am not for nor against Treaties, merely thinking critically about the issues) and yet they are going to extraordinary lengths to go around the world by sending their highest political officer to gain momentum for the TPP.

It brings to mind that nations at the end of the day are about interests and "as long as it suits them". I will also hasten to add that there are many citizens in the US who are also wanting greater transparency around the TPP negotiations as it is likely to impact the architecture of the Internet and the rules of the game.

Kind Regards,

Sala

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:

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Here's a development you might wish to follow. Some analysts say it is even more dangerous than pernicious ACTA to the public interest. Those countries in the L & CA region with a Pacific littoral may be party to it.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/08/tpp-creates-liabilities-isps-and-put-y...

- Carlton

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