Carlton: Muchas Gracias.. la verdad yo no esperaba que lo consideraran tan bien y menos de una persona que ha estudiado tanto el tema como Ud. Me alegra que esto pueda ser útil a la comunidad. No entiendo muy bien la última frase respecto a mi colaboración con un WG pero estoy a las órdenes en lo que pueda cooperar. Saludos a todos Aída 2014-03-26 19:02 GMT-03:00 <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>:
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Asunto: Re: RV: ICANN Alerta de Noticias - ICANN busca la opinión pública en 2013 RAA Retención de datos Especificación Elementos de datos y propósitos legítimos para recogida y conservación De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com
Excelente exposición del tema, Aida. Registradores en jurisdicciones de la UE + aquellos con regímenes de protección de datos similares y acuerdos recíprocos con Protección de datos de la UE, como Uruguay son los más afectados.
El GTE sobre la próxima generación de Registro de Datos Servicios de haber abordado este emitir en nuestras deliberaciones y daría la bienvenida a su visión y aportes. Yo confía en usted es también un miembro y después de las de At-Large cuestiones de registro WG.
Saludos cordiales, -Carlton
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El miércoles, 26 de marzo 2014 a las 2:55 pm, <aidanoblia@gmail.com> escribió:
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Subject: Re: RV: ICANN News Alert - ICANN Seeks Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements and Legitimate Purposes
for
Collection and Retention From: aidanoblia@gmail.com
Fatima, Alberto, Alejandro and all
Ses understand that a very important issue, and also in the complex laws, I could not attend the roundtable mencionFtima is You can listen any recording? is still some time for comments? I am not clear what is the closing date for comments.
National legislation on protection of personal data are rather strict, and also the right of access to information pblica because ahestara the limit necessary to know what can and must publish and what not, with quextensin, for how long, quines they can do it, you can publish lbremente qudatos cules and require free, express, written consent of the owner ...
In Uruguay the Law 18331 and its implementing regulations refer to the protection of personal data (qualified in two types (sensitive or not) As a human right protected by the constitution of the Republic. It provides the owner of the personal data ARCO rights acronym that level legislation includes right to access the database, Corrigendum of Erroneous data or modified in reality, Erroneous or correction of inaccurate data and Oposicina who does what the law calls "treatment" of the data that is generally any use of these express your personal information without written consent holder.
There is a Regulatory Unit Registration and Control of such data by the Agency electronic government, in the Register of the Specifications contain mandatory for all personal data that has a base, and is of public or private persons, controls, and procedures performed auditing and punishing violators with fines and even closure of the database.
There is a base charge and take charge of the practice by account of others or their own. The law regulates their responsibilities. The owner of the database, or jurdica physical person is responding by use or processing of personal data to the owner of that data.
An when they can use or deal in certain circumstances, consent of the owner or in cases of data that supports your treatment without l, personal data can not be used for other purposes for which the owner permitted use.
The base is responsible for their own or decides its use: Personal data is collected for a purpose and should be eliminated once cumplila purpose for which it was collected, can transmit only in certain conditions .. etc.. It is that responsible for the base, which can be physical or legal person to whom the data subject can enforce penalties or may correspond.
With variations, this is repeated in the legislation.In case of international data transfer international law applies, and habrque therefore analyze what is the applicable law and jurisdiction competition.
In the case of ICANN, the owner of the database is * not * ICANN, for Therefore, * is not * legally controller who is made of the personal data.
According saw, in the system of the new agreement, the service is outsourced, To improve it in terms of the quality of the data and also about its treatment, but that does not mean the change of ownership.
So ICANN agrees the "excencin" of data retention in analyzing some specific cases and by a special procedure, but hurting the service is intended to improve the users by this new medium.
This is done at the request of the records to be released from their liability because by not having to keep the data in accordance with According to ICANN no longer have to answer to the law for their conservation, damage, misuse, etc..It emphasizes the need for the good faith by the owner or holder of the database (check in) which contains the data, though this good faith is a matter of difficult certain proof.
Also, to not keep such data prevents any possibility fulfill the functions of ICANN in such cases, with respect to the prevention of damages that may result from misuse of domain names and similar.
The issue in each case is to analyze these requests, if you really retention of such data is necessary for the service prestacin to Travs registry is provided or if it constitutes a violation of the law. The blog that cases can be referred to and do not appear so rare. And the position of registrars is clearly find that facilitate their task. but in this case may be against the effectiveness and completeness of the service provided by ICANN. From what has already been given and can see on the web, it seems that security prevails.But the ms allde presentation requirements of having the case (with reports of attorney, etc. ) Should be studied very well in that case is given rather than presumed good faith as a way to resolve these cases.
Otherwise give an endorsement by the owners of the Records released from liability, affect the risk of compliance other obligations, affect all other obligations of the Register and its owner as dueoo who treats data.
As decan seems a matter of interest.
Regards
3/22/2014 20:59 GMT-03: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> :
Fátima, solo serán las 04:00 AM en Buenos Aires... Pero prometo
participar.
Gracias!!
Alberto Soto
De: Fatima Cambronero [mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com] Enviado el: sábado, 22 de marzo de 2014 08:54 p.m. Para: Alberto Soto CC: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; LACRALO Español Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RV: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert --
ICANN
Seeks Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements and Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
Alejandro, Alberto,
Comparto la opinión de que estamos frente a un tema interesante que deberíamos poder analizar y pronunciarnos desde nuestra región.
El día lunes 24 a las 15 hs. local de Singapur está prevista una Mesa Redonda sobre Servicios de Directorio de Registro: presente y futuro. Si bien este tema concretamente no está incluido en la agenda de la reunión, es un tema muy relacionado que quizás aparezca en los debates.
Sería bueno participar en esta Mesa Redonda para escuchar y discutir los comentarios que pueda haber al respecto. Entiendo que en el horario de nuestros países queda en una franja un poco complicada. Yo voy a estar atendiendo a dicha reunión. Si hay algún comentario o consulta que quieran hacer llegar, me ofrezco para transmitirlos.
Este es el enlace a la agenda de esta Mesa Redonda:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Roundtable+on+Registrat
ion+Directory+Services%3A+Now+and+the+Future+-+2014.03.24+-+Singapore
Aquí el enlace al Adobe Connect: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/sin49-vip/ (este es el mismo para todas las reuniones de At-Large de la semana).
Saludos cordiales,
Fatima Cambronero
2014-03-21 23:40 GMT-03:00 Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> >:
Creo que el interés debe ser suficiente. Es justamente uno de los temas que hacen a la existencia de entidades orientadas al usuario final de Internet, es decir, NOSOTROS. Con seguridad hay distintas legislaciones para cada país, al menos en algunos ítems sustanciales. Aunque hay países que aún no tienen legislación. Hay 30 días para comentarios, es poco tiempo para la importancia del tema. Sugiero que muy rápidamente las respectivas ALSs de cada país de nuestra Región, lea los antecedentes de esta referencia, y luego informen la legislación vigente en su respectivo país, con comentarios. También sugiero que para esta primera fase, la fecha límite sea el próximo viernes 28/03/2014. También sugiero que quienes están participando en Singapur, sean eximidos de participar, tienen cosas muy importante que hacer por nosotros.
Saludos cordiales
Alberto Soto
-----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] En nombre de Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Enviado el: viernes, 21 de marzo de 2014 11:25 p.m. Para: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] RV: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- ICANN Seeks
Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification Data Elements and Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
Colegas,
el llamado anexo puede tener implicaciones legales apreciables en nuestra región. Convoquemos a los expertos en protección de datos personales y otros temas relacionados con la retención de datos (cómputo forense, leyes de telecomunicaciones, Marco Civil en el caso particular de Brasil) para conformar una opinión sólida, si hay el interés suficiente.
Alejandro Pisanty
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________________________________ ICANN Seeks Public Comment on 2013 RAA Data Retention Specification
Data
Elements and Legitimate Purposes for Collection and Retention
21 March 2014
ICANN has been in discussions with a number of Registrars regarding data retention waiver requests ("Waiver Requests") submitted under the 2013 Registrar Accreditation Agreement (the "2013 RAA"). Some Registrars are seeking an exemption from certain collection and/or retention requirements under the Data Retention Specification (the "Specification") of the 2013 RAA. Section 2 of the Data Retention Specification sets forth requirements regarding the written materials a Registrar must submit in support of its good faith determination that the collection and/or retention of any data element specified in the Specification violates applicable law, and provides that following notice to ICANN of the Waiver Request, ICANN and the applicable Registrar shall discuss the matter in good faith in an effort to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of the matter. An update on the 2013 RAA and the data retention waiver process can be found here:
http://blog.icann.org/2014/02/update-on-2013-raa-and-data-retention-waiver-p
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http://blog.icann.org/2014/02/update-on-2013-raa-and-data-retention-waiver-
process/> rocess/
ICANN understands that personal data should be treated in accordance with applicable data protection laws, which generally permit gathering and retention of personal data for legitimate purpose(s). ICANN also understands that the law may vary from country to country as to (i) what is considered a legitimate purpose, (ii) whether the personal data is adequate, relevant and not excessive in relation to the legitimate purpose for which they are collected and (iii) for how long certain data elements may be retained. In other words, what is considered a legitimate purpose for collection of certain data in one country may not be considered a legitimate purpose in another country.
During ICANN's discussions in an effort to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of the matter, some Registrars have requested that ICANN (a) clarify and better define certain data elements described in the Data Retention Specification that the Registrars maintain are not clearly defined; and (b) describe potentially legitimate purposes for collection and retention of each data element that would help provide guidance for Registrars both as to whether such elements may be lawfully collected, and, if so, for how long such elements might lawfully be retained.
In response to these requests from some Registrars, ICANN is posting for public comment a document seeking to clarify what is meant by certain data elements described in the Data Retention Specification and describing potentially legitimate purposes for collection and retention of those data elements. That document can be found here<
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/draft-data-retention-s
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http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/draft-data-retention-spec-
elements-21mar14-en.pdf> pec-elements-21mar14-en.pdf> [PDF, 116 KB]. The document will be posted for a period of thirty (30) days to seek feedback and input from the community on (i) whether the data elements are appropriately described, (ii) whether the cited purposes for collection and retention are appropriate and legitimate, and (iii) whether there are other potentially legitimate purposes for collection and retention of such data elements. After the thirty (30) day period following this posting has expired, ICANN will consider all feedback and input received in connection with ICANN's ongoing discussions to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of Waiver Requests. In the interim, ICANN will continue its ongoing discussions to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of Waiver Requests with individual Registrars with the goal of granting additional Waiver Requests as and when appropriate.
A public comment period will remain open until 23:59 p.m. PDT/California, 21 April 2014. Public comments will be available for consideration by ICANN staff and the ICANN Board.
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