I like the idea of re - certification. Sincerely. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:22:03 To: <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>; <staff@atlarge.icann.org>; <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification Carlton, all, the concept with which we - mostly Esther Dyson and Denise Michel, then the Evolution and Reform Committee which I chaired in the early 2000's - designed the present At-Large representation and participation is "web of trust." The system can still be gamed and trust may be abused. A stronger ree-certification process would be advisable in a next round of review. But, more trnasparency, more airing of the real representation and impact of the organizations, and less rhetoric, will surely help this system to work better, and allay the patent need for refounding of LACRALO. More focus on the job to be done and on building the capacity to do it has never been more vital. Let's recover he essential tasks from the fatally doomed General Assembly as well. While at this, let me call on those people who are presenting candidatures to an election that may never take place to put forward their platforms, just in case. Less names, more action, ideas, and accountability. Alejandro Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 *Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, Carlton Samuels wrote:
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:27:34 -0500 From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> To: carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> Cc: At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification
The challenge with the Due Diligence phase of the ALS application is the dependence on prior knowledge of the applicant either thru publicly-available sources or via private sources, mostly thru one-to-one personal contacts. When I was Secretariat, we turned to sources as different as LACNIC and ISOC representatives for help.
Sometimes the publicly-available sources, like websites and such, are less than useful. And private sources are always open to compromise. I recall in the past, for example, lots of ill-will to an ICANN regional representative because of his reporting of negative information he received from his sources about an applicant.
Caught between a rock and a hard place. But short of a forensic routine, this is the best we have at the minute.
- Carlton
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 6:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre < carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds party) who want to say something over ALS applications. I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for all, and not only for the actors. My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do directly with the T&T ISOC application . A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
From: staff@atlarge.icann.org To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification
Dear All,
The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00.
To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is accredited.
The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large.
Regards,
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