[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Las palabras del secretario de LACRALO / Algunas palabras del Secretario LACRALO De: rok@bango.org.bb Bueno, me acuerdo de esto, para que no se me acusa de ser irrespetuoso. Yo Sólo diré una cosa, aparte de ser un atentado grave, este implacable determinación de imponer la dominación puede ser descrito con precisión en la vida política términos como nada más que el "imperialismo" se ha vuelto loco. Corea del Sur ----- Original Message ----- De: Carlton Samuels Enviado el: Viernes, 31 de agosto 2012 16:25 Para: Jacqueline Morris Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Cualquier palabra del secretario de LACRALO / Algunas palabras Secretario de LACRALO +1. Esto es un intento de llevar escuálida la integridad de la anterior Secretaría en el descrédito. Me parece que este intento revisionista a la pregunta Competencia de Dev grotesco. Sí, hemos tenido nuestros problemas con la traducción y la interpretación.Y así que espero que la traducción es incorrecta. Pero la razón ofrecida por el Secretaría parece detenerse en una reclamación de discriminación inversa. Al leer esto, ahora parece que la discriminación lingüística está siendo adoptado como un principio de funcionamiento de la Secretaría titular. Ahora escucha esto. El idioma de trabajo de la ICANN es el Inglés. No obstante, la LACRALO documento de la organización reconoció a dos (2) idiomas como co-iguales en LACRALO actividades, Inglés y Español. Hemos trabajado duro para extraer compromisos para la traducción y servicios de interpretación de la ICANN. Jacqueline Morris y Cheryl Langdon-Orr como Presidentes del ALAC eran incondicionales en esa lucha. Y sÃ, entonces nuestro único miembro del personal asignado, Nick Ashton-Hart agitado constantemente en nuestra nombre. Christina RodrÃguez se incorporó como ICANN Language Services Manager y nunca cedió. Siempre recordaré Carlos Aguirre, en este contexto, lo duro que trabajó acceder fácilmente a la información y, de hacerse entender cuando habla.La lucha no era sólo para Carlos, pero para muchos otros detrás de él que podrÃa no poder asistir a una reunión de ICANN, pero podÃa leer el procedimiento y escuchar las traducciones de audio para ayudar a comprender mejor lo que era sucediendo en el espacio. Simplemente estoy sorprendido por esto. Con respecto a la elaboración de polÃticas, personas de habla inglesa, sin duda, todavÃa lo hacen tienen una ventaja, Inglés sigue siendo el "ir de" lenguaje. Lo que sucede en LACRALO alrededor de idioma sólo afecta a la forma en que, a nivel interno, colaborar. Lo no impide extender la voz del Caribe en el desarrollo de polÃticas de ICANN cÃrculos. Pero si la LACRALO permanecerá como hogar para América Latina y el Caribe intereses de los usuarios finales, entonces no puede ser tan marginados. Actos de omisión o comisión en este contexto son igualmente problemático. - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= En * Thu, Aug 30, 2012 a las 3:54 AM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote: Hi Sylvia
Thanks to my mother, a professional simultaneous interpreter and translator (Spanish/French/Portuguese/English) I was able to read this rather surprising email clearly. The translations (both as sent below and via the list auto translate) were not at all possible to understand.
I will not attempt to go into the obvious issues that there seem to be with a representative of an ALS, and I am disappointed by the tone these issues have taken on the list, but there is one issue of FACT that I would like to clarify.
The previous Secretariat, far from only considering the documents in English, went to great pains to compare the documents in BOTH languages, and placed several motions on the agenda for the suspended GA in Costa Rica that were intended to correct the discrepancies between the two sets of documents. One of them was precisely to correct the missing paragraph 11.2 as referenced.
If you would be willing to check back the emails on the list, you will see that this is fact, not conjecture, and I believe an apology is due to our previous Secretariat, who discharged the duty competently, selflessly, without bias and without complaint for several years. The previous Secretariat spent many hours, nights, weekends and vacation days away from work, home, family and friends, and it's unfair to attempt to tarnish and smear the amazing work that was done by him.
Sincerely
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM, <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> wrote:
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Subject: Any words of Secretary of LACRALO / Some words of LACRALO Secretary From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org
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Greetings all, Sylvia PD = note That I try to write short sentences and use Personal Pronouns to Facilitate translation from English to the list!
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Sylvia Herlein
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Secretary LACRALO-ICANN / 2012-2013 - <http://atlarge.icann.org> http://atlarge.icann.org
2009-2012 Secretary FLUI
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