Andrés, esa postura borra el trabajo de tiempo sobre los mecanismos de admisión y sobretodo deja sin sentido toda esta discusión, de ser así, para que se abren consultas. Me atrevo a calificar de poco respetuoso tu comentario a los que han expresado abiertamente su opinión en esta lista. Es claro que las organizaciones no tienen un soporte evidente que de cabida en LACRALO. Pido que sigamos apliacando los mecanismos que nos hemos propuesto. Erik Huesca On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM, <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote:
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Subject: RES: RES: CLOSING COMMENTS ON APPLICATIONS OPEN ALS From: vanda@uol.com.br
I have always been in favor of having us as most representative of ALS, best for LACRALO.
Comprendiese when empezlos few allestaban did all the work to raise the group. But the rules with which we started, as any organization, need to be updated, rethought for the moment. Aspienso that one of the rules that we must seek to change in our regulations is not allowed in organizations natural persons, may be supported with participation of companies or other organizations. This change may leave much stronger our group, especially economically, and help organizations quizlograremos girls, who are only a few natural persons, to grow or even tornndose join other stronger.The majority of organizations natural persons do not grow based solely on contributions from these people, especially also because the majority of our activities are to be charged non users, asque either, may depend on them economically. If one succeeds ALS other support organization, for example, quedarmucho more efficient in their work with users.
The change in our bylaws must be in agreement with what we want LACRALO for the future.
Hugs,
----- Mensagem Original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome of Dr. Baruch Alejandro Pisanty Posted in: second-feira 30, 2012 22:09 julho To: Erick Iriarte Ahon, Fatima Cambronero Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; LACRALO Espaol Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: APPLICATIONS CLOSING COMMENTS ALS IN OPEN
Colleagues,
qubueno that occasionally express opinions clearly.We say in Mxico "clearly worth more than a hundred faded" and in each of our passes habrexpresiones equivalent.
Ms alldel passion of the moment I think we should convert these opinions on updated criteria and use them to better meet our common goals - a task that starts with the current definition common objectives. Something that recently in San trabajpara Jos, Costa Rica, and instead should advance little Prague, but to follow.
It has been mentioned many times the alternative to withdraw the certification some or all members and start from scratch, with criteria regulations based on the principle of "Web of Trust" or "telaraa of trust ", each torn dams, and criteria that organizations can demonstrate that represent users and / or serve the user community.
Discussions like today, and the lack of results of Conciliation respect to the General Assembly is in a state of constipacin (Understanding a natural break that process by personal circumstance of JosArce) the urge to feed more than the expectation refundacin reconciliaciny reconstruction.
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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: APPLICATIONS CLOSING COMMENTS ALS IN OPEN
Fatima
thank you for giving information which is known to those who follow ICANN theme, but also thanks to clarify an important point you must know, about what they want to do with ALS.
Also important to recognize that there are people, but to play principles. As I turned to those who had close and then went expandiendonos (and say that something I can say with a few years more than your on the topic), if they see the growth rate of ALS in Latin America will where he will notice the real work of outreach.
I have not intervened in their petty battles for those traveling more or who has more titles, nor did I get into their philosophical contributions the theorizing of nothing, if I recognized the work of some who even I do not think as they have done things like Sergio (and indeed if someone I am not exactly remember his holy devotion, but recognize the good is also good), if I dared to speak when they have the audacity to arguments using "pseudo-legal" to try to prevent others participate.An entity is free to go where they best see fit (NCUC, LACRALO, ISPs, wherever), why they choose them, not guardians of doors open.
Notice I say, I ask, exigo, read the bylaws of LACRALO (if escribos among all those in Sao Paulo, and we signed and approved). And as due to the step down di believing with certainty that other they would take the baton to build not to exclude.
So, I leave my opinion on, I will not intervene, or I'll respond to what you say, or any who want to support or not support what I say, shut the door to an organization with a trick text, is spitting at the sky waiting for you not to fall, sooner or later flip the tortilla, and some, like me, have enough patience.
Erick
On 30/07/2012, at 19:22, Fatima Cambronero escribitbNL>
Erick,
Probablemente desconozcas el trabajo que estamos haciendo en el WG de RoP
these.
Justamente el tema de la participación, y más precisamente la falta de
mtricas and discussing the possibilities of de-certification ALS involved only in times of votacino of applications for charges without any kind of substantial contribution within LACRALO.
Si fue culpa tuya haber traido a LACRALO a muchas ALSs formadas por
as members of the ALS LACRALO really dealing with users and of their rights.
La solicitud de certificación como ALS no fue presentada ni por Beatriz
ni
personal but they are functional LACRALO.
Además la sugerencia es dirigirlas hacia un espacio dentro de ICANN donde valued.
Saludos, Fatima
El 30 de julio de 2012 21:16, Erick Iriarte Ahon <
La mitad de las ALS de America Latina son Abogados (muchas traidas por mi culpa!! :) )
Dejar afuera a otros bajo argumentos de "pureza" es olvidarse que tampoco
No hay argumento valido bajo ninguna forma y circunstancia, sino
solamente
Association of Notaries of Uruguay, which also has to Beatriz Rodriguez and Maria Jose Viega digital activists who know them but put their names on Google!
Sino revisen aqui:
https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/LACRALO+ALSes Organizations.
Ya basta de sectarismo, tienen una gran oportunidad de hacer cosas por la
and get off your cloud.
Erick
El 30/07/2012, a las 18:51, Vanda UOL escribió:
Y he comentado acerca de la aplicación de Brasil, que por aceptar organizaciones y empresas en sus estatutos, non son cualificadas. Incluso he levantado la cuestión de revernos estas prohibiciones si queremos un LACRALO mas fuerte y auto sustentable. Cuanto a la organización de Notarios de Uruguay, creo que se encuadra correctamente en nuestros estatutos, así que soy a favor de aceptarla en nuestros cuadros. Además es una oportunidad para que Uruguay participe más de LACRALO Abrazos a todos
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