September 2012 - lac-discuss-es

Ir�n preparando una versi�n interna de la Internet
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 20, 2012

Sept. 20, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Irán preparando una versión interna de la Internet De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com ... Hablando combate mutación en el sentido de las palabras .... espero que realmente no lo hacen creer tal cosa sería comparable. Verás, creo que es el física de la red - la arquitectura, etc organización - que define ... Leer con los ojos bien abiertos pero tenga en cuenta las razones expuestas aquí. Suponiendo que realmente intentar, estoy ofreciendo incluso dinero en fracaso. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1edfa6ed52.html --]]

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PTO EE.UU. bloquea el acceso a ciertos sitios web
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 20, 2012

Sept. 20, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: PTO EE.UU. bloquea el acceso a ciertos sitios web De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Ahora bien, esta es la Oficina de Patentes y Marcas de los Estados Unidos! Vea la historia aquí: http://keionline.org/node/1548 [Fwiw, en su día, yo era uno de los tres contratos PE - yo, un vietnamita mujer y una mujer malaya, tanto de origen chino - que puso en su primer texto completo sistema de recuperación. En ese momento yo trabajaba para un alemán independiente Software House. Mi hijo, un ingeniero mecánico fresco fuera de la universidad, fue a trabajar allí como examinador del año pasado. Hemos diseñado dicho sistema antes de que él naciera. Todavía estaban usando!] [A propósito, su mandato no duró demasiado tiempo. Digamos que en lo que respecta a muchos aplicaciones, iba en contra de su intuyen demasiado a menudo a la de su inmediato supervisor, que resulta en el conflicto inevitable. Esto, después de que le dije a la niño que se calle y estar de acuerdo con el programa! Pero noooooo. :-)]. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c9031e21f8.html --]]

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un grupo de presi�n para la Libertad en Internet
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 20, 2012

Sept. 20, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: un grupo de presión para la Libertad en Internet De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com ... Como dijo el hombre, es algo "fácil en principio y difícil que cuando trata de los detalles. Así que piensa "mutación" en el sentido de que usted cumpla con los detalles. No puede siempre estará en su esquina en cada detalle matizado. Pero al menos son en contra de SOPA ... y todas esas cosas. Independientemente de su posición en la red neutralidad, esperamos que la tiene, aunque desde un punto diferente en la brújula. No muchos ser siempre confiable con respecto a las cuestiones de la censura. Pero a veces se presentan intereses coincidentes con el suyo. En otras palabras, tienen intereses permanentes. Así que no será amigos permanentes. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/internet-freedom-lobby/ - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7f880c54d2.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] proyecto de gTLD comentario RG comentario con respecto a las TI para el cambio
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Sept. 20, 2012

Sept. 20, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: proyecto de gTLD comentario RG comentario con respecto a las TI para el cambio De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Aquí está el grano para el molino, en el blog de Milton. http://www.internetgovernance.org/2012/09/19/generic-top-level-domains-who-… - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= En Wed, Sep 19 2012 a las 10:13 AM, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear All, > > Thank you Dev. The proposed text sounds good for me. However, I wonder > if we should not suggest something to the group. The way we put it: > > "However, given the concept raised regarding generic words becoming > private TLDs has policy implications that impacts individual Internet end > users, the gTLD RG recommends that the issues raised be referred to the > At-Large new gTLD Working Group (https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for > discussion and possible policy recommendations." > > seems like giving it all to the gTLD WG without a say from us. Is this > what we are required to do? Just a naive question... > > What do you all think? > > Best, > Fatimata > > > > 2012/9/19 Dev Anand Teelucksingh <admin(a)ttcsweb.org> > >> Dear All, >> >> Below is the proposed text to be sent to At-Large, the ALAC, the new >> gTLD WG chair >> and to IT for Change, India of the gTLD RG decision re: comment by IT for >> Change >> >> Comments or suggestions for the text are welcomed. I will >> formally send this to the aforementioned persons/organisations as well >> as to the At-Large mailing list and update the RG wiki if there is >> agreement on the list >> regarding the text >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh >> gTLD RG chair >> >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> The gTLD Review Group (gTLD RG ; https://community.icann.org/x/u7-bAQ) >> received a comment from IT for Change, India on September 11 2012. >> >> IT for Change, India's comment was not directed at a specific >> application or applicant but was posted to the At-Large new gTLD >> Applications Dashboard Workspace at >> >> https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/multiple-strings-by-IT-for-ch… >> >> The comment by IT for Change, India is that allowing generic words as >> private TLDs (i.e with single registrant, with no requirement to make >> second level domain names available to the open market) is against the >> public interest. >> >> Because such a concept is outside the scope of any particular >> applicant or application, the gTLD RG will not be submitting a comment >> for the ALAC for possible submission to ICANN's new gTLD comment forum >> before the close of the Application Comment Period on September 26 >> 2012. >> >> However, given the concept raised regarding generic words becoming >> private TLDs has policy implications that impacts individual Internet >> end users, >> the gTLD RG recommends that the issues raised be referred to the >> At-Large new gTLD Working Group >> (https://community.icann.org/x/8Yoi) for discussion and possible >> policy recommendations. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh >> Chair, gTLD Review Group >> _______________________________________________ >> Newgtldrg mailing list >> Newgtldrg(a)icann.org >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/newgtldrg >> > > > > -- > Fatimata Seye Sylla > > > > _______________________________________________ > Newgtldrg mailing list > Newgtldrg(a)icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/newgtldrg > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e5f1e27f3e.html --]]

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Fwd: FW: ICANN News Alert - Ronda de Solicitud de Becas de ICANN abre 46 en Beijing, Rep�blica Popular de China
by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com Sept. 19, 2012

Sept. 19, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Fwd: FW: ICANN News Alert - Ronda de Solicitud de Becas de ICANN abre 46 en Beijing, República Popular de China De: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com FYI ---------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- De: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> Fecha: 09/19/2012 Asunto: [At-Large] FW: ICANN News Alert - Ronda de solicitud de beca Abre por la ICANN 46 en Beijing, República Popular de China A: At-Large en todo el mundo <at-large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > ICANN News Alert > <http://www.icann.org/> > News Alert > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-19sep12-en.htm > > Fellowship Application Round Opens for ICANN 46 in Beijing, People's > of China > 19 September 2012 > > How Do I Apply for the Fellowship Program > > The Fellowship Program has demonstrated success in its mission to build > capacity in the ICANN multi-stakeholder environment through focused > interactive engagement between newcomers to ICANN and community members at > each of the ICANN meetings. The program seeks to identify members of the > Internet community who either have not previously been able to > ICANN processes and constituent organizations, or those who require > exposure to the Internet community and its work but cannot travel and > meeting without financial support. This outreach program seeks > from developing regions and countries of the world, in order to help > broader base of knowledgeable constituents who will become the new voice > experience in their regions and beyond. > > Applications to become an ICANN Fellow are assessed for each meeting by an > independent selection committee. Priority is given to applicants who: meet > minimum program requirements; are current residents of developing and > developed nations in the five ICANN regions; and are interested in > participating in the ICANN multi-stakeholder process and its supporting > organizations, advisory committees or stakeholder groups. An effort will > made to include participants from the Asia-Pacific region as the site of > ICANN meeting. > > All confirmed fellowship participants must comply with the terms and > conditions of the Fellowship program, as outlined at > http://www.icann.org/en/about/participate/fellowships/terms-conditions. As > stated within these terms and conditions, ICANN is a California non-profit > public benefit corporation and must therefore comply with all the laws and > regulations of California and the United States. Fellows are responsible > obtaining all travel visas once accepted into the program. ICANN will > tickets for Fellows after all necessary documentation has been obtained > Fellows demonstrate that they have obtained all necessary travel visas. > > Once all of the requirements for travel are met, the Fellowship program > arranges for and covers the costs for airfare and hotel, as well as > a stipend to assist with some meeting and subsistence costs. The stipend > provided after each selected candidate successfully completes the > of the Fellowship program, Recipients will be expected to actively > in and contribute to ICANN processes during and after the meeting. As > registration for ICANN's meetings is free for anyone wanting to attend. > > Find out more » <http://www.icann.org/en/about/participate/fellowships> > > > > This message was sent to icann-board(a)icann.org from: ICANN | 12025 > Waterfront Drive Suite 300 | Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536 Email Marketing > <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> > Manage Your Subscription > < > 69&c=165637> > _______________________________________________ icann-board mailing list > icann-board(a)icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/icann-board > > Sébastien Bachollet > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ > Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/96664bebf0.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by johnl＠iecc.com Sept. 19, 2012

Sept. 19, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: johnl(a)iecc.com > As he explains, with NATing, the carriers gain information about what > IP addresses are going where - information they can flog to advertisers. información de organizaciones no-NAT routers como de las cajas de NAT. En Australia, yo hubiera pensado que las leyes de privacidad haría venta ese tipo de información ilegal. En los EE.UU. que utilizan los servicios nocivos como Phorm para recoger y vender información, no es necesario NAT. R, Juan [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a15c705c74.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by dogwallah＠gmail.com Sept. 19, 2012

Sept. 19, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: dogwallah(a)gmail.com Hola, El sábado 15, 2012, acebo Raiche escribió: > Hi Carlton > > There is a twist to the IPv4/v6 discussion - and it's about money > (surprise!) Geoff Huston (our own internet pioneer/guru) asks why the > carriers aren't migrating to v6 - and instead dealing with the address > shortage (at least in the APNIC region) through NATing. As he explains, > with NATing, the carriers gain information about what IP addresses are > going where - information they can flog to advertisers. Rgds, McTim > It's part of the money shift from the carriers in an analogue, circuit > switched world where the carriers got the money, to an IP world where they > are missing out and the revenue is going to the content providers. (the > WCIT issue about accounting rates no longer providing the carriers with the > money they used to collect is relevant here). So the carriers are making > do with NATing instead of migrating to the v6 world where, once again, one > IP address connects directly to another address and no NATting (and no > collecting information about users) in between between (except in ! > the usual circumstances of corporates, etc) > > Holly > > > On 16/09/2012, at 6:11 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > > > Hi Sala: > > You misinterpret my skepticism as denial. Wrong. > > > > I'm there with you on all the facts you quote. Yes too, on all the > trends > > you finger. My skepticism is born of the big 'the sky is falling' > hoopla. > > And an analysis that is predicated on immediate and/or imminent scarcity. > > [Scarcity as in demand driven!] > > > > For the last several years, I've studiously followed the ARIN policy > > discussions. Its only after you see the details and couple that to a few > > other facts that it jumps out at ya; the details just don't support the > > great alarm hurry-up-and-do-this. Look critically at some of the data in > > context of where access and demand are growing; Africa and Asia. Then > > have another think. > > > > No, we will not have a collapse anytime soon. No, I doubt if IPv4 > > addresses will ever be totally exhausted. At least not if some of the > > policy positions I see being promoted in the ARIN region are implemented! > > > > Yes, if and when that time comes, if someone belly up to your favourite > RIR > > and asks for a **bank* *of addresses, here's the likely response, "well, > > we ain't got that kind. But here's another kind works just as well if not > > better! Machine you have might even be prepped for it, see. But you > might > > have to do a few little things to let her fly". That conversation will > not > > take place with a mom and pop operation, trust me. End user networks are > > not provisioned as the popular myth says. > > > > Troll the lists and you will see this is one topic I've studiously stayed > > away from. Not because I don't understand the issues; I ran service > > provisioning businesses absolutely dependent on ready availability of IP > > addresses. It is because I remain underwhelmed by the hype. > > > > The facts tend to the inconvenient. To the hype, that is. So we are > agreed > > to disagree, albeit agreeably. Nope, the hype on this is over the top. > > And for the life of me I can't figure out why. In the Y2K storm I knew > > what it was; there were folks hellbent on picking some pockets. > > > > Maybe its because I am at a point where I've learned to distrust all > > revealed wisdom and orthodoxy. So I might be the heretic here. Oh well, > > if salvation comes...... > > > > - Carlton > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Snip the whole thing always brings me back to that Y2K jingle. > >> > >> I would disagree and here's why. > >> > >> *Demographics* > >> As I write this email, the world's population according to the > Population > >> Reference Bureau is 7,087,683,026 as at 6:18am Sunday morning on 16th > >> September, 2012. The World Mortality Report of 2011 rates (produced by > the > >> Department of Economic Social Affairs by its Population division) shows > >> that over time the mortality rates have generally gone down although > there > >> are still wide disparities in levels of mortality across regions. See: > >> > >> > http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/worldmortalityreport2011/Worl… > >> > >> *End Users* > >> Whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet, the World Internet > >> Statistics (IWS) suggest that there are 2,267,233,742 internet users as > at > >> December, 31, 2011. See: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. > >> > >> These users distributed would be something like this:- > >> AFRALO region - 6.2% > >> APRALO region - 49% > >> EURALO region - 22.1% > >> LACRALO region - 10.4% > >> NARALO region - 12% > >> > >> *Can current supply meet demand?* > >> As the push for Universal Service continues to grow as we have seen from > >> recent trend Cheers, McTim "A nombre indica lo que buscamos. Una dirección indica dónde está. Una ruta indica cómo llegar allí. "Jon Postel _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/02f157e56a.html --]]

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RECORDATORIO - llamada LACRALO conferencia - Lunes 17 de septiembre de 2012 a las 23:00 UTC
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org Sept. 18, 2012

Sept. 18, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: RECORDATORIO - llamada LACRALO conferencia - Lunes 17 de septiembre de 2012 a las 23:00 UTC De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Queridos todos, La siguiente llamada de conferencia mensual de LACRALO está programada para el lunes 17 Septiembre de 2012 a las 23:00 UTC (tiempo por favor nota NUEVO). Para otros horarios: http://tinyurl.com/8ezfcnv El proyecto de temario de esta información de la llamada está disponible en: https://community.icann.org/x/oYYoAg Adobe Connect: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lacralo * Por favor, confirme su línea de espera * y el número preferido para staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. RECORDATORIO para su agenda es: Por favor, consulte a continuación la lista de las llamadas de conferencia que queda para el año 2012: Lunes 29 de octubre a las 2300 UTC (una semana más tarde debido a la ICANN Toronto Reunión) Lunes 19 de noviembre a las 23:00 UTC Lunes 17 de diciembre a las 2300 UTC Gracias. Saludos, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gruber Gisella, y Nathalie Halcón peregrino El personal de ICANN Política en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/da40e0f9c8.html --]]

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RV: [At-Large] R: Heidi in the ICANN Executive team
by Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Sept. 16, 2012

Sept. 16, 2012

Hola, creo que puede ser de interés para todos este intercambio de opiniones entre Roberto Gaetano y Sébastien Bachollet sobre la función y el destino del At-Large ante el cambio de Director General en ICANN. Me sumo a lo que dice Roberto Gaetano en el sentido de revisar y elevar la capacidad de nuestra representación de hacer aportaciones sustantivas a la producción de ICANN y a su impacto. Seguramente el reconocimiento que está haciendo Fadi Chehade y las palabras de Sébastien Bachollet implicarán también una evaluación más crítica de las aportaciones y capacidades. También merece atención la pregunta al final del mensaje: ¿creemos que la reorganización del "staff" de ICANN, con Heidi ahora en reporte directo al Director General, puede tener consecuencias en los procesos y prioridades del At-Large? Termino con un saludo y felicitación a Heidi Ullrich y todo su equipo por este cambio positivo. Cordial saludo. Alejandro Pisanty ! !! !!! !!!! NEW PHONE NUMBER - NUEVO NÚMERO DE TELÉFONO +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Sébastien Bachollet [sebastien(a)bachollet.com] Enviado el: domingo, 16 de septiembre de 2012 00:20 Hasta: At-Large Worldwide CC: 'Heidi Ullrich' Asunto: Re: [At-Large] R: Heidi in the ICANN Executive team Roberto and all, The window is open and the leaders of At-Large already show a lot of added value. All the feedback given to me regarding At-Large are all very positive. During the presentation to the staff Fadi said: "Each time I am going to a country I will meet leaders from the At-Large community and from the local ALSes". It seems that other senior staff will do the same. I hope that At-Large will see that also as a mutual help to strengthen the relationship, the outcome of At-Large and ICANN but also the engagement. He also launch the initiative for a new strategic approach for Africa with a lot of members of At-Large. Similar initiative is launch for LAC region. He comments very positively all the interaction with Olivier as Chair of ALAC. Some decision for the new organization comes from comments by At-Large (compliance, communication, Outreach…). Beside the hard work of At-Large staff, all that definitely help the new position for Heidi. I am sure that At-Large (ALAC, ALSes, members of ALS, individual participants…) will show that they deserve such attention and position in the organization. May I suggest that At-Large start to think if the new staff organization have consequences on it's own processes and priorities? All the best Sébastien Bachollet +33 6 07 66 89 33 Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> Le 16/09/12 13:51, « Roberto Gaetano » <roberto_gaetano(a)hotmail.com> a écrit : >Let me join in congratulating Heidi. Her work has been appreciated for >quite >a long time now. > >The new position in the organization chart, while being a recognition of >Heidi's excellent work, is also a challenge for the AtLarge: it implies >that >the community feedback will be even closer to the ears of the CEO. >As I stated in the previous message, commenting about the fact that the >new >CEO is listening, we have to make sure that we use this window of >opportunity to show the added value of ALAC to the policy development >process. >A former manager of mine used to say that you only have one chance to do a >good first impression. This is the time to use the window that has been >opened. >Cheers, >R. > > >-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: at-large-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >[mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Olivier MJ >Crepin-Leblond >Inviato: venerdì 14 settembre 2012 23:44 >A: At-Large Worldwide >Cc: Heidi Ullrich >Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Heidi in the ICANN Executive team > >Thanks for the excellent news, Sébastien. > >Congratulations to Heidi. This is a great piece of news and is certainly >due >to the hard work that she and her Team have furnished over the years. It >took a change of leadership for this hard work to be recognised finally! > >I have a feeling that we are opening a new Chapter for ICANN, and >certainly >a new Chapter for At-Large. Great news for eveyone. >Kind regards, > >Olivier > >On 14/09/2012 13:49, Sébastien Bachollet wrote: >> I was as Board member - at the meeting this morning in the ICANN LA >> offices' for the new CEO (Fadi Chehade) presentation. >> A lot of announcement and good news. >> >> I would like to congratulate Heidi. >> Heidi is now member of the ICANN Staff Executive team. >> I am sure it a very good news for our community. >> And also part of the work of At-Large. >> Thanks also to At-Large staff team. >> Well done. >> >> All the best >> >> Sébastien Bachollet >> +33 6 07 66 89 33 >> Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ >> Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> At-Large mailing list >> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large >> >> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org >> > >-- >Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD >http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > >_______________________________________________ >At-Large mailing list >At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Son de direcciones IPv4!
by h.raiche＠internode.on.net Sept. 16, 2012

Sept. 16, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Son de direcciones IPv4! De: h.raiche(a)internode.on.net Hola Carlton Hay una vuelta de tuerca a la discusión IPv4/v6 - y es por el dinero (¡sorpresa!) Geoff Huston (nuestra propia Internet pionero / gurú) se pregunta por qué los transportistas no están migrando a v6 - y en lugar de hacer frente a la escasez de direcciones (por lo menos en la región de APNIC) a través de NATing. Como él mismo explica, con NATing, los portadores de obtener información acerca de qué direcciones IP se va donde - información que pueden azotar a los anunciantes. Es parte del cambio de dinero de los transportistas en un análogo, conmutación de circuitos mundo en el que las compañías tiene el dinero, a un mundo IP donde se están perdiendo y los ingresos va a los proveedores de contenido. (El tema CMTI sobre las tasas de dejar de prestar los transportistas con el dinero que utilizan para recoger es relevante aquí). Así que los portadores están haciendo ver con NATing en lugar de migrar al mundo v6 donde, una vez más, una dirección IP se conecta directamente a otra di! rección y NATting no (y no la recopilación de información acerca de los usuarios) en el medio entre (excepto en! las circunstancias habituales de empresas, etc) Acebo El 16/09/2012, a las 6:11 AM, Carlton Samuels escribió: > Hi Sala: > You misinterpret my skepticism as denial. Wrong. > > I'm there with you on all the facts you quote. Yes too, on all the trends > you finger. My skepticism is born of the big 'the sky is falling' hoopla. > And an analysis that is predicated on immediate and/or imminent scarcity. > [Scarcity as in demand driven!] > > For the last several years, I've studiously followed the ARIN policy > discussions. Its only after you see the details and couple that to a few > other facts that it jumps out at ya; the details just don't support the > great alarm hurry-up-and-do-this. Look critically at some of the data in > context of where access and demand are growing; Africa and Asia. Then > have another think. > > No, we will not have a collapse anytime soon. No, I doubt if IPv4 > addresses will ever be totally exhausted. At least not if some of the > policy positions I see being promoted in the ARIN region are implemented! > > Yes, if and when that time comes, if someone belly up to your favourite RIR > and asks for a **bank* *of addresses, here's the likely response, "well, > we ain't got that kind. But here's another kind works just as well if not > better! Machine you have might even be prepped for it, see. But you might > have to do a few little things to let her fly". That conversation will not > take place with a mom and pop operation, trust me. End user networks are > not provisioned as the popular myth says. > > Troll the lists and you will see this is one topic I've studiously stayed > away from. Not because I don't understand the issues; I ran service > provisioning businesses absolutely dependent on ready availability of IP > addresses. It is because I remain underwhelmed by the hype. > > The facts tend to the inconvenient. To the hype, that is. So we are agreed > to disagree, albeit agreeably. Nope, the hype on this is over the top. > And for the life of me I can't figure out why. In the Y2K storm I knew > what it was; there were folks hellbent on picking some pockets. > > Maybe its because I am at a point where I've learned to distrust all > revealed wisdom and orthodoxy. So I might be the heretic here. Oh well, > if salvation comes...... > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Snip the whole thing always brings me back to that Y2K jingle. >> >> I would disagree and here's why. >> >> *Demographics* >> As I write this email, the world's population according to the Population >> Reference Bureau is 7,087,683,026 as at 6:18am Sunday morning on 16th >> September, 2012. The World Mortality Report of 2011 rates (produced by the >> Department of Economic Social Affairs by its Population division) shows >> that over time the mortality rates have generally gone down although there >> are still wide disparities in levels of mortality across regions. See: >> >> http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/worldmortalityreport2011/Worl… >> >> *End Users* >> Whilst there are 7 billion people on the planet, the World Internet >> Statistics (IWS) suggest that there are 2,267,233,742 internet users as at >> December, 31, 2011. See: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm. >> >> These users distributed would be something like this:- >> AFRALO region - 6.2% >> APRALO region - 49% >> EURALO region - 22.1% >> LACRALO region - 10.4% >> NARALO region - 12% >> >> *Can current supply meet demand?* >> As the push for Universal Service continues to grow as we have seen from >> recent trends in ICT development, liberalisation of markets, competition, >> it is generally expected that the end users will grow. There already is a >> demand on Internet Address allocations based on consumption. The pull on >> address spaces is also linked to "consumerism". The innovations in science >> and technology have brought us smart phones, smart computers, smart >> refrigerators, smart homes, smart cars means that there is a "level of >> demand" coming from the globe on a "finite pool of resources". We see >> trends where as Innovations increase eg. Applications (App) and a single >> phone can have an average of 5 Apps. Internet Traffic is definitely growing >> because of many reasons, the desire to communicate, content driven >> applications being some of the reasons. Whether it is an entrepreneur away >> on a business trip can with a few strokes be able to check procurement of >> goods, what's in the cash register etc or a Surgeon performing remote tests >> and/or surgery, one thing is certain, consumption of the Internet will >> continue to grow. >> >> So the issue becomes, can "Supply meet demand"? Maybe and only for a little >> while. There are Network Address Translators (NATs) that can only do so >> much for a little while but all it is really at the end of the day is >> buying time and waiting for the inevitable which is the pool of IPv4 >> resources will run out. >> >> *The growth in global demand to communicate implies the need for >> transition* >> For as long as the assumption is true that internet usage will grow there >> will be a strain on the address allocation. There are variables that affect >> demographics droughts, tsunamis, global food crisis, water scarcity, >> climate change, migration, conflicts and wars that affect demographics but >> a steward and in this case RIPE NCC will try to ensure that there is >> sufficient preparation that existing resources are conserved within reason >> and at the same time encourage transition. >> >> The threat aside from running out of internet addresses on the IPv4 front >> is the ability for Networks not to be able to communicate. The IPv4 Network >> cannot communicate with the IPv6 and there are ways to address these where >> network owners can elect to opt for which ever methods of transition suits >> them. >> >> Fortunately, the good news is that to be able to account for the current >> and future demands on address space allocations, the IPv6 address >> allocations were designed to enable seamless communication. So the only >> challenge now is organising IPv4 to IPv6 transition. The key word is a >> transition. As for end users there are many things that we can do as >> ordinary end users to help prepare for the transition but that is for >> another time. >> >> Whilst some may say, that it's just vendors trying to sell their wares. The >> reality is that vendors will always try to sell their wares and you can >> help keep them accountable by getting your region and network providers to >> publish feedback on their wares See: >> >> http://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/ipv6-cpe-survey-updated-january-2011/?s… >> >> Best Regards, >> Sala >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4434b30cd2.html --]]

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