Thanks Jim. Good to get a fresh set of eyes on this. Let me see if I can re-write this more clearly once we get additional comments. Don From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Jim DeLaHunt Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2018 9:54 AM To: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] Wording of UASG position on Downgrading [was: Re: Draft Notes - UA at ICANN61 2018-03-22] Hello, all: Thank you for the notes from the UASG meeting at ICANN61 sent just now. I have a question about the wording of the "UASG Position on Downgrading". I don't intend to dispute the substance of the position. I do have a hard time understanding the wording used. b. The sending system MAY substitute a pre-determined alias in ASCII when it ‘owns’ the mailbox and sending part of the email when it knows a transit will encounter a non-EAI ready email component. I get lost after the first word "and". The rest of the sentence seems like two partial sentences spliced together. If I delete the first clause of the "and" condition, the 'owns' clause, and abbreviate the part about the sending system, it reads: The …system… MAY substitute… when… and sending part of the email when it knows a transit will encounter a non-EAI ready email component. I don't understand how to interpret "sending part of the email" as a condition. I don't know how to pare the second use of "when". Did we mean, b. The sending system MAY substitute a pre-determined alias in ASCII when sending part of the email if a) it ‘owns’ the mailbox, b) it knows a transit will encounter a non-EAI ready email component. Also, I don't know if "the mailbox" refers to the destination mailbox, or the sender mailbox. Also, I don't know what it means for a sender to "own" the mailbox. Does it mean, "sending system has reliable current information about an ASCII-only alternative address for the destination mailbox"? I'm sorry to get stuck on this. I imagine there was already effort put into this wording. Writing clearly and simply is hard! Best regards, —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada On 2018-03-21 13:26, Don Hollander wrote: Please find attached draft notes and actions from the meetings in San Juan earlier this month. Corrections would be welcome by the beginning of next week. Thank you. Don -- --Jim DeLaHunt, jdlh@jdlh.com<mailto:jdlh@jdlh.com> http://blog.jdlh.com/ (http://jdlh.com/) multilingual websites consultant 355-1027 Davie St, Vancouver BC V6E 4L2, Canada Canada mobile +1-604-376-8953

...and... I have just discovered that Sina Weibo 新浪微博 now linkifies Chinese IDNs😀 Will test with other (human language) scripts. On 22 Mar 2018, at 16:51, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk<mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk>> wrote: By way of completing the equation and as we are about EAI & IDNs: zh.icoremail.net<http://zh.icoremail.net/> = 互联网.中国<http://xn--blq510jgwa.xn--fiqs8s/> In addition to datamail.in<https://datamail.in/> there is a set of DataMail IDNs 电邮.在线<http://xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g/> , डाटामेल.भारत<http://xn--c2bd4bq1db8d.xn--h2brj9c/> and more. See schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/computer-science-internationalization.html<http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/computer-science-internationalization....> + I have had my DataMail 小山@电邮.在线 for over a year now. When I saw the reference to Coremail in the Draft Notes I registered a Chinese email with them ➜ 小山@互联网.网络 I have done some testing between my 2 Chinese email addresses. Sending from 小山@互联网.网络 to 小山@电邮.在线 works fine. Sending from 小山@电邮.在线 to 小山@互联网.网络 did not work. I have reported the issue to DataMail support. Will let you know when it is working. André Schappo On 21 Mar 2018, at 20:26, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> wrote: Please find attached draft notes and actions from the meetings in San Juan earlier this month. Corrections would be welcome by the beginning of next week. Thank you. Don <Notes - UA at ICANN61 2018-03-22.pdf>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:15:03 +0200, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

A practical note:

This list makes use of MailMan – which in theory is EAI ready.

This list is hosted by ICANN.

ICANN IT will have to have changes in its infrastructure for these objectives to b read Correct operating systems hosting mailman Correct version of mailman running ?maybe an up-to-date version of ICANN’s MTA if it doesn’t use MailMan’s own (assuming it has one)

Such measures would be interesting, but they have a bottleneck in a single spot and probably not a good measure – at least at >this time.

I think that "when the bottlenecks are important enough for ICANN IT to solve" is a good milestone to track. We may not be the first to resolve the problem, but how long it takes those promoting the solution to be able to use it is a pretty useful thing to note. I also agree that when we get spam on EAI addresses will be a good milestone to note. cheers

Don

From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Andre Schappo Sent: Monday, 26 March 2018 10:01 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Draft Notes - UA at ICANN61 2018-03-22

Extract from the Notes: " There was a request to get some metrics for measurement of success and achievement."

Measures of success could include:

1️⃣ When members of this list can email to this list using their EAI email address and everyone receives it.

2️⃣ When members of this list can email to this list using their EAI email address and everyone receives it and everyone can >successfully reply to it.

3️⃣ When we start getting spam on our EAI email addresses

1️⃣ & 2️⃣ require us to be able to be a member of this list with our EAI email addresses. Is any work being done on supporting EAI for >this email list?

3️⃣ You may think I am joking about the spam but I am being serious

IMHO, I think we should aim to have every member of this list, using this list with an EAI email address and not an ASCII email >address. Lead by example.

André Schappo

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On 21 Mar 2018, at 20:26, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:

Please find attached draft notes and actions from the meetings in San Juan earlier this month.

Corrections would be welcome by the beginning of next week.

Thank you.

Don

<Notes - UA at ICANN61 2018-03-22.pdf>

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