question during G20 for Multilingual Internet
Big development During G20 summit happening in India which was attended by 20 president/prime minister's of different countries including US, UK, UAE, Germany, Japan etc , Question was raised to all countries- Why Internet domain name should only be in English ?, when not more than 25 percent population speaks English . G20 is VERY IMPORTANT body to raise awareness and hopefully countries will take UA and Multilingual Internet issue more seriously. Thank you ICANN for giving us IDNs and UASG. Hopefully everyone in UASG and ICANN, UA local initiatives, ambassadors and leaders will address this issue in there respective country and use this hook as an opportunity to tell importance of UA. I continue to do my bit. Best wishes. Ajay Data -- Sent from my Android device with XGen Email.
Ajay, This is result of a collective work including your efforts. We are focus on “ Govt Initiative” in UASG as per 5 year plans under finalisation. Anil Sent from my iPhone
On 10-Sep-2023, at 11:23 AM, ua-discuss@icann.org wrote: Big development
During G20 summit happening in India which was attended by 20 president/prime minister's of different countries including US, UK, UAE, Germany, Japan etc , Question was raised to all countries-
Why Internet domain name should only be in English ?, when not more than 25 percent population speaks English .
G20 is VERY IMPORTANT body to raise awareness and hopefully countries will take UA and Multilingual Internet issue more seriously.
Thank you ICANN for giving us IDNs and UASG.
Hopefully everyone in UASG and ICANN, UA local initiatives, ambassadors and leaders will address this issue in there respective country and use this hook as an opportunity to tell importance of UA.
I continue to do my bit.
Best wishes.
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Dear all, This Ajay's "big news" makes me a little bit sad and a bit worried. If the question was quoted by Ajay how it was posted on that summit, we have many levels of understanding issues in UASG. 1. question is framed in a manner that someone forbids using other languages in the domain names. With that info, served to the politicians, who are by design unaware of standards and technology, you created a picture that ICANN or at least some Internet body force us to use English. We can argue that it was a valid statement 15 years ago, but now it is completely wrong. 2. there is no 25 percent who speaks English, there is less than that. You can check here - https://myclasstracks.com/how-many-people-speak-english/. Still, this creates false impression that some minority language is forced by ICANN or any Internet body to be used, because we don't expect the politicians to know the history on Internet. Internet was created in the USA, on English language and Latin script, and existed many years before IDNs are introduced and that's why we have Latin script. 3. Using "English language" in the question, instead of "Latin script" (which is used the most in the world - https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/alphabets/) again is targeting political battle between East and West. Do we need to be in that battle, as UASG? Ironically, I presume that this question was asked on English language... Using language instead of script is factually wrong from UASG point of view. Together, those 3 wrong things in the question creates a dumb image to politicians that English language is forced by the West, through ICANN, which is just a political statement for the sake of West/East battle. And very hard one now in today's geopolitical situation. I would argue that we DON'T need such political statements while we are tending to be apolitical in UASG. At least, this big news are leading us into wrong direction, and Anil's answer of 5 years of devoted work on this makes me more worried. This question is not something that I would like to be the message of UASG/ICANN and I would be extra careful in today's fragile geopolitical world. My two cents Dusan On 11.9.2023. 17:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via UA-discuss wrote:
Ajay
You say the question was raised, but by whom and in what context?
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Michele
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+1 Dušan In an ideal world public statements regarding UA should be done after consultation with the group, and not at random. Moreover, the more important the audience, the more carefully must the statement be crafted. Cheers, Roberto On 13.09.2023, at 12:12, Dusan Stojicevic via UA-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> wrote: Dear all, This Ajay's "big news" makes me a little bit sad and a bit worried. If the question was quoted by Ajay how it was posted on that summit, we have many levels of understanding issues in UASG. 1. question is framed in a manner that someone forbids using other languages in the domain names. With that info, served to the politicians, who are by design unaware of standards and technology, you created a picture that ICANN or at least some Internet body force us to use English. We can argue that it was a valid statement 15 years ago, but now it is completely wrong. 2. there is no 25 percent who speaks English, there is less than that. You can check here -https://myclasstracks.com/how-many-people-speak-english/. Still, this creates false impression that some minority language is forced by ICANN or any Internet body to be used, because we don't expect the politicians to know the history on Internet. Internet was created in the USA, on English language and Latin script, and existed many years before IDNs are introduced and that's why we have Latin script. 3. Using "English language" in the question, instead of "Latin script" (which is used the most in the world -https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/alphabets/) again is targeting political battle between East and West. Do we need to be in that battle, as UASG? Ironically, I presume that this question was asked on English language... Using language instead of script is factually wrong from UASG point of view. Together, those 3 wrong things in the question creates a dumb image to politicians that English language is forced by the West, through ICANN, which is just a political statement for the sake of West/East battle. And very hard one now in today's geopolitical situation. I would argue that we DON'T need such political statements while we are tending to be apolitical in UASG. At least, this big news are leading us into wrong direction, and Anil's answer of 5 years of devoted work on this makes me more worried. This question is not something that I would like to be the message of UASG/ICANN and I would be extra careful in today's fragile geopolitical world. My two cents Dusan On 11.9.2023. 17:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via UA-discuss wrote: Ajay You say the question was raised, but by whom and in what context? 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Dusan I tend to agree, though I’m still waiting for actual confirmation of what was asked and in what context. UA is NOT solely about non-Latin scripts and I find it incredibly tiresome when people focus on that Giving ANYONE the idea that domains can only be in English is just plain stupid and WRONG. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dusan Stojicevic via UA-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 11:12 To: ua-discuss@icann.org <ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] question during G20 for Multilingual Internet [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Dear all, This Ajay's "big news" makes me a little bit sad and a bit worried. If the question was quoted by Ajay how it was posted on that summit, we have many levels of understanding issues in UASG. 1. question is framed in a manner that someone forbids using other languages in the domain names. With that info, served to the politicians, who are by design unaware of standards and technology, you created a picture that ICANN or at least some Internet body force us to use English. We can argue that it was a valid statement 15 years ago, but now it is completely wrong. 2. there is no 25 percent who speaks English, there is less than that. You can check here - https://myclasstracks.com/how-many-people-speak-english/. Still, this creates false impression that some minority language is forced by ICANN or any Internet body to be used, because we don't expect the politicians to know the history on Internet. Internet was created in the USA, on English language and Latin script, and existed many years before IDNs are introduced and that's why we have Latin script. 3. Using "English language" in the question, instead of "Latin script" (which is used the most in the world - https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/alphabets/) again is targeting political battle between East and West. Do we need to be in that battle, as UASG? Ironically, I presume that this question was asked on English language... Using language instead of script is factually wrong from UASG point of view. Together, those 3 wrong things in the question creates a dumb image to politicians that English language is forced by the West, through ICANN, which is just a political statement for the sake of West/East battle. And very hard one now in today's geopolitical situation. I would argue that we DON'T need such political statements while we are tending to be apolitical in UASG. At least, this big news are leading us into wrong direction, and Anil's answer of 5 years of devoted work on this makes me more worried. This question is not something that I would like to be the message of UASG/ICANN and I would be extra careful in today's fragile geopolitical world. My two cents Dusan On 11.9.2023. 17:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via UA-discuss wrote: Ajay You say the question was raised, but by whom and in what context? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. 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Michele, Agree with you entirely. But I am, actually, not waiting for exact words, details and context, because the harm is done and we cannot do anything about it on global level. And I even don't wish to hear the details, because I will get more frustrated. What I am commenting is how members of UASG are considering those words. That's for me only thing we can try to change right now. And by calling it "Big development" or "VERY IMPORTANT" or "raising awareness", is a matter for us to think what we are doing here, who understand the basic concept of UA, and most importantly> it was understood as part of "Govt Initiative" in our 5 year strategic plan - we are systematically missing the UA basics here and we salute dumb questions? Dusan On 13.9.2023. 12:41, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Dusan
I tend to agree, though I’m still waiting for actual confirmation of what was asked and in what context.
UA is NOT solely about non-Latin scripts and I find it incredibly tiresome when people focus on that
Giving ANYONE the idea that domains can only be in English is just plain stupid and WRONG.
Regards
Michele
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Dear all,
This Ajay's "big news" makes me a little bit sad and a bit worried. If the question was quoted by Ajay how it was posted on that summit, we have many levels of understanding issues in UASG. 1. question is framed in a manner that someone forbids using other languages in the domain names. With that info, served to the politicians, who are by design unaware of standards and technology, you created a picture that ICANN or at least some Internet body force us to use English. We can argue that it was a valid statement 15 years ago, but now it is completely wrong. 2. there is no 25 percent who speaks English, there is less than that. You can check here - https://myclasstracks.com/how-many-people-speak-english/. Still, this creates false impression that some minority language is forced by ICANN or any Internet body to be used, because we don't expect the politicians to know the history on Internet. Internet was created in the USA, on English language and Latin script, and existed many years before IDNs are introduced and that's why we have Latin script. 3. Using "English language" in the question, instead of "Latin script" (which is used the most in the world - https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/alphabets/) again is targeting political battle between East and West. Do we need to be in that battle, as UASG? Ironically, I presume that this question was asked on English language... Using language instead of script is factually wrong from UASG point of view.
Together, those 3 wrong things in the question creates a dumb image to politicians that English language is forced by the West, through ICANN, which is just a political statement for the sake of West/East battle. And very hard one now in today's geopolitical situation. I would argue that we DON'T need such political statements while we are tending to be apolitical in UASG. At least, this big news are leading us into wrong direction, and Anil's answer of 5 years of devoted work on this makes me more worried. This question is not something that I would like to be the message of UASG/ICANN and I would be extra careful in today's fragile geopolitical world.
My two cents
Dusan
On 11.9.2023. 17:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via UA-discuss wrote:
Ajay
You say the question was raised, but by whom and in what context?
Regards
Michele
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Anil NIXI -
Dr Ajay Data -
Dusan Stojicevic -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Roberto Gaetano