Re: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic’s Decline
I just wonder how they create content for websites, so many websites have Cyrillic content. BTW, SMS in Unicode has different character count mechanism and same situation is in India too as it take more space to store and send. Typically 160 characters of ASCII are counted as one SMS, if you send more than 160 characters upto 320, you will be charged for two SMS. Because Unicode characters can take upto 4 bytes for one characters, it gets expensive. However it is loosing its relevance as people send messages more on Whatsapp, Skype, Facebook etc. Just to share in India, As per the new mandate, all mobile phones in the country will have to provide text reading support in all Indian languages on their devices. The standard mandates mobile phone companies to provide message typing facility in English, Hindi and a regional language of their users choice . @dusan , if you can mention the issues in using Cyrillic on computer on phone, that will be helpful. As we know that atleast on iphone and android we have full support of Cyrillic. Thanks. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder & CEO Get email id like अजय@डाटा.भारत in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: "Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss" MailId : [84044661]To: Dusan Stojicevic Cc: "ua-discuss@icann.org" Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic&rsquos DeclineDate: 15 Aug 2018 10:31:46 PM This is amazing to me if you type SMS on Cyrillic you pay more This is merely disappointing there is no Cyrillic keyboards on laptops and for computers in Serbia Thanks for the update, it makes sense . /marksv From: Dusan Stojicevic Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 08:20 To: Mark Svancarek (CELA) Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic&rsquos Decline Dear Mark, all, Sorry for a delay in reacting, this news hits me on vacation . As I am from Serbia, I can say that this topic reach domestic headlines because of the summer time with lack of more &ldquoimportant&rdquo news. Still, it brings Cyrillic script into focus and highlighted some problems considering usage of Cyrillic in one small country . There is no mentioning of IDNs, because of several reasons. Firstly, Serbian registry, for a long time, doesn&rsquot want to promote national IDN TLD, and the situation is more-less equal in all small non-Latin countries with IDN TLD. The number of domain names in IDNs is like a statistical error and it brings no business to registries, registrars&hellip Simply, situation is> there is no (big) demand. It&rsquos the same in countries which use Latin script with diacritics, number of IDNs on SLD is small . Only in big non-Latin countries (China, Russia, India&hellip) you can find significant number of IDN domain names. Patrick Fältström and me, we were talking in Tbilisi about the reasons behind that, during EuroDIG&rsquos IDN session. I can say that the problem is not pure technical, but rather a mix: lack of usage of non-Latin script in real life (mentioned in article, Serbs knows Latin, and we use this script like our own, and situation is similar in small non-Latin countries &ndash Georgia, Armenia, name it), and lack of natural and comfortable usage of those scripts on computers (f.e. there is no Cyrillic keyboards on laptops and for computers in Serbia if you type SMS on Cyrillic you pay more default settings on new mobile devices is Latin script for all apps, and you get mix of scripts if you change to non-Latin &hellip etc). IDNs can be just added in brackets, but certainly not as a major topic&hellip People, they usually go down the line of lower resistance&hellip Cheers, Dusan Stojicevic From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:24 PM To: Universal Acceptance ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic&rsquos Decline http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-proposes-law-changes-to-halt-... No mention if IDNs, though . Virus-free. www.avast.com Do not Remove:[HID]20180815223146154[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER]
Thanks for clarifying, I did finally figured out that the cost was not more for Cyrillic per se, but the additional per-char byte cost. Great news about India, great inclusion. From: UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Dr Ajay Data Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 23:00 To: mark svancarek cela via ua-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org>; dusan stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic’s Decline I just wonder how they create content for websites, so many websites have Cyrillic content. BTW, SMS in Unicode has different character count mechanism and same situation is in India too as it take more space to store and send. Typically 160 characters of ASCII are counted as one SMS, if you send more than 160 characters upto 320, you will be charged for two SMS. Because Unicode characters can take upto 4 bytes for one characters, it gets expensive. However it is loosing its relevance as people send messages more on Whatsapp, Skype, Facebook etc. Just to share in India, As per the new mandate, all mobile phones in the country will have to provide text reading support in all Indian languages on their devices. The standard mandates mobile phone companies to provide message typing facility in English, Hindi and a regional language of their users choice. @dusan , if you can mention the issues in using Cyrillic on computer on phone, that will be helpful. As we know that atleast on iphone and android we have full support of Cyrillic. Thanks. Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder & CEO Get email id like अजय@डाटा.भारत<mailto:अजय@डाटा.भारत> in your own language, visit www.xgenplus.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xgenplus...> ________________________________ From: "Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> MailId : [84044661] To: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs<mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> Cc: "ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>" <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic’s Decline Date: 15 Aug 2018 10:31:46 PM This is amazing to me if you type SMS on Cyrillic you pay more This is merely disappointing there is no Cyrillic keyboards on laptops and for computers in Serbia Thanks for the update, it makes sense. /marksv From: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs<mailto:dusan@dukes.in.rs>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 08:20 To: Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv@microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic’s Decline Dear Mark, all, Sorry for a delay in reacting, this news hits me on vacation. As I am from Serbia, I can say that this topic reach domestic headlines because of the summer time with lack of more “important” news. Still, it brings Cyrillic script into focus and highlighted some problems considering usage of Cyrillic in one small country. There is no mentioning of IDNs, because of several reasons. Firstly, Serbian registry, for a long time, doesn’t want to promote national IDN TLD, and the situation is more-less equal in all small non-Latin countries with IDN TLD. The number of domain names in IDNs is like a statistical error and it brings no business to registries, registrars… Simply, situation is> there is no (big) demand. It’s the same in countries which use Latin script with diacritics, number of IDNs on SLD is small. Only in big non-Latin countries (China, Russia, India…) you can find significant number of IDN domain names. Patrick Fältström and me, we were talking in Tbilisi about the reasons behind that, during EuroDIG’s IDN session. I can say that the problem is not pure technical, but rather a mix: lack of usage of non-Latin script in real life (mentioned in article, Serbs knows Latin, and we use this script like our own, and situation is similar in small non-Latin countries – Georgia, Armenia, name it), and lack of natural and comfortable usage of those scripts on computers (f.e. there is no Cyrillic keyboards on laptops and for computers in Serbia; if you type SMS on Cyrillic you pay more; default settings on new mobile devices is Latin script for all apps, and you get mix of scripts if you change to non-Latin; … etc). IDNs can be just added in brackets, but certainly not as a major topic… People, they usually go down the line of lower resistance… Cheers, Dusan Stojicevic From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:24 PM To: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org>> Subject: [UA-discuss] Serbia Proposes Law Changes to Halt Cyrillic’s Decline http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-proposes-law-changes-to-halt-cyrillic-s-decline-08-01-2018<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.balkaninsight.com%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fserbia-proposes-law-changes-to-halt-cyrillic-s-decline-08-01-2018&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C777dca7a25bc4a5134b408d60406bed9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700824379540144&sdata=UdXy%2BUafZu3uQI5bgKkN7jqJVlj2bBOWsm%2FC6uwNjP8%3D&reserved=0> No mention if IDNs, though. 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