Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions
We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I'd very much welcome comments from the community about this - whether you think it's fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let's aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General - UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
Don, a question that I literally get asked every engagement I attend concerns what is the breakdown of script usage on the Web. People want to understand how much dissemination there is of different languages around the world, and this helps them better understand the actual extent of the diversity, which is usually not clear at all in their heads. While this is not strictly DNS-related, it certainly is something that helps getting people on board with the idea that the worlds is vast and diverse to the extreme, which make projects such as UA necessary. Regards, On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 23:59:16 +0000 Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p...
I'd very much welcome comments from the community about this - whether you think it's fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included.
If you need a deadline, let's aim for the 5th of March.
Don
Don Hollander Secretary General - UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
-- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [www.markwd.website] Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES
Hello Mark Hope this will give you some information.. According to internetworldstats, total internet users (by language) for English is 25.4% https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm, Thanks. Ajay On February 26, 2019 9:40:56 AM GMT+05:30, "Mark W. Datysgeld" <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
Don,
a question that I literally get asked every engagement I attend concerns what is the breakdown of script usage on the Web. People want to understand how much dissemination there is of different languages around the world, and this helps them better understand the actual extent of the diversity, which is usually not clear at all in their heads. While this is not strictly DNS-related, it certainly is something that helps getting people on board with the idea that the worlds is vast and diverse to the extreme, which make projects such as UA necessary.
Regards,
On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 23:59:16 +0000 Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p...
I'd very much welcome comments from the community about this - whether you think it's fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included.
If you need a deadline, let's aim for the 5th of March.
Don
Don Hollander Secretary General - UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
-- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [www.markwd.website] Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES
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That statistic appears to be a simple estimate of the number of speakers for a given language times the % of internet penetration in a given population (summed over all distinct populations speaking the same language). For languages spoken mostly in reasonably developed countries this approaches the population figures. But it is a reasonable estimate for the purpose: except for the effect of trade languages and second languages, 100% penetration is something of a cap, so that the long-term (or not so long-term) development will see the internet use of languages match other use of languages. As of the most recent statistics (see wikipedia for sources), the declared or detected content language of about half of all pages was still English. Or, in other words, only half. One would expect that to gravitate to the same distribution as observed for other media, such as print publications: not all languages will have perfectly similar rates of content production, but the current large fraction of English content is bound to shrink. In this context, it is notable that the UTF-8 inflection point is long behind us: it was a few years ago that 50% of all pages counted were detected as UTF-8. By now that encoding dominates. For UASG that means that the fraction of pages that could not accommodate a URL with an IDN (or could not accommodate an arbitrary IDN) has shrunk to insignificant proportions already and that the bottlenecks are elsewhere. A./ On 2/25/2019 11:20 PM, Dr. Ajaay Data wrote:
Hello Mark
Hope this will give you some information..
According to internetworldstats, total internet users (by language) for English is 25.4% https://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm,
Thanks.
Ajay
On February 26, 2019 9:40:56 AM GMT+05:30, "Mark W. Datysgeld" <mark@governanceprimer.com> wrote:
Don,
a question that I literally get asked every engagement I attend concerns what is the breakdown of script usage on the Web. People want to understand how much dissemination there is of different languages around the world, and this helps them better understand the actual extent of the diversity, which is usually not clear at all in their heads. While this is not strictly DNS-related, it certainly is something that helps getting people on board with the idea that the worlds is vast and diverse to the extreme, which make projects such as UA necessary.
Regards,
On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 23:59:16 +0000 Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I'd very much welcome comments from the community about this - whether you think it's fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let's aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General - UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
-- Mark W. Datysgeld from Governance Primer [www.markwd.website] Representing businesses in IG together with AR-TARC and ABES
-- Sent from my Android device with XGenPlus.
Don, thanks for asking. I think we can do much better than that document. Besides being redundant in several places, it asks questions which it then does not answer. For example, it asks about disadvantages and then offers advantages. It uses UA-ready without defining it. It often talks about expanding the internet, which I think for most readers is of no consequence (not my job). On the other hand it buries the more significant argument which is the enablement of users that are not English or ASCII literate. It is also rather geeky in describing UA as a “technical compliance process”, rather than using more approachable language. Asking about which companies are UA-ready seems inappropriate since the large companies mentioned will almost never be fully UA-ready, as they have so many applications. It would be better to identify software systems they offer that we can say are UA-ready. We should use links everywhere we mention a document rather than pointing at the containing directory. Rather than listing companies that are members, we should have a link to the list of members. That way the document doesn’t need to be updated as the list changes and it might encourage others to join. So fwiw, I would replace the faq with something like the attached. I tried to be more direct, more approachable, and have more compelling arguments. The contents I removed, I did so intentionally. (Apologies if I removed someone’s favorite item.) Feel free to disagree or dismiss outright. It might benefit from a few statistics – eg number of TLDs in each language or script, and some examples of important cases. (China, India, etc. with large markets, etc.) I hope that helps. tex From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:59 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I’d very much welcome comments from the community about this – whether you think it’s fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let’s aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
I will go again through all docs over the weekend, but have one first comment. I fully agree that the bulk of the UA work - and probably the hardest part - is about non-ASCII scripts, but maybe we should also mention problems that manifest themselves for ASCII email addresses and domain names. To name one, in some applications TLDs that are longer than 3 chars are still rejected, in spite of the long time since the first introduction of some of them in 2000. This aspect is missing in the FAQ when we seem to imply that the only benefit will be for support of non-ASCII scripts. Cheers, Roberto On 01.03.2019, at 00:01, Tex <textexin@xencraft.com<mailto:textexin@xencraft.com>> wrote: Don, thanks for asking. I think we can do much better than that document. Besides being redundant in several places, it asks questions which it then does not answer. For example, it asks about disadvantages and then offers advantages. It uses UA-ready without defining it. It often talks about expanding the internet, which I think for most readers is of no consequence (not my job). On the other hand it buries the more significant argument which is the enablement of users that are not English or ASCII literate. It is also rather geeky in describing UA as a “technical compliance process”, rather than using more approachable language. Asking about which companies are UA-ready seems inappropriate since the large companies mentioned will almost never be fully UA-ready, as they have so many applications. It would be better to identify software systems they offer that we can say are UA-ready. We should use links everywhere we mention a document rather than pointing at the containing directory. Rather than listing companies that are members, we should have a link to the list of members. That way the document doesn’t need to be updated as the list changes and it might encourage others to join. So fwiw, I would replace the faq with something like the attached. I tried to be more direct, more approachable, and have more compelling arguments. The contents I removed, I did so intentionally. (Apologies if I removed someone’s favorite item.) Feel free to disagree or dismiss outright. It might benefit from a few statistics – eg number of TLDs in each language or script, and some examples of important cases. (China, India, etc. with large markets, etc.) I hope that helps. tex From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:59 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I’d very much welcome comments from the community about this – whether you think it’s fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let’s aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander <UASG011 Universal Acceptance-tex.pdf>
Roberto, Good point. There could be a question added such as where do applications typically fail UA compliance- And we can then list character support and TLD length in domain names, and international characters in the local portion of email addresses as well as their maximum length and other issues as needed, including a link to a document describing the requirements in detail. I think that will help the FAQ quite a bit. tex From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 12:10 AM To: Tex Cc: Don Hollander; Universal Acceptance Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions I will go again through all docs over the weekend, but have one first comment. I fully agree that the bulk of the UA work - and probably the hardest part - is about non-ASCII scripts, but maybe we should also mention problems that manifest themselves for ASCII email addresses and domain names. To name one, in some applications TLDs that are longer than 3 chars are still rejected, in spite of the long time since the first introduction of some of them in 2000. This aspect is missing in the FAQ when we seem to imply that the only benefit will be for support of non-ASCII scripts. Cheers, Roberto On 01.03.2019, at 00:01, Tex <textexin@xencraft.com> wrote: Don, thanks for asking. I think we can do much better than that document. Besides being redundant in several places, it asks questions which it then does not answer. For example, it asks about disadvantages and then offers advantages. It uses UA-ready without defining it. It often talks about expanding the internet, which I think for most readers is of no consequence (not my job). On the other hand it buries the more significant argument which is the enablement of users that are not English or ASCII literate. It is also rather geeky in describing UA as a “technical compliance process”, rather than using more approachable language. Asking about which companies are UA-ready seems inappropriate since the large companies mentioned will almost never be fully UA-ready, as they have so many applications. It would be better to identify software systems they offer that we can say are UA-ready. We should use links everywhere we mention a document rather than pointing at the containing directory. Rather than listing companies that are members, we should have a link to the list of members. That way the document doesn’t need to be updated as the list changes and it might encourage others to join. So fwiw, I would replace the faq with something like the attached. I tried to be more direct, more approachable, and have more compelling arguments. The contents I removed, I did so intentionally. (Apologies if I removed someone’s favorite item.) Feel free to disagree or dismiss outright. It might benefit from a few statistics – eg number of TLDs in each language or script, and some examples of important cases. (China, India, etc. with large markets, etc.) I hope that helps. tex From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:59 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions We have this FAQ published at <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p...> https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I’d very much welcome comments from the community about this – whether you think it’s fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let’s aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander <UASG011 Universal Acceptance-tex.pdf>
We should have a lightweight moderated process that makes it easy to add to the faq. New questions to add might include: How can I join or contribute to UASG? How can I have my software (or device or company, etc) listed as UA-ready? Is there a certification process for UA-readiness? Which are the current standards that define or fall under the UA umbrella? If I pass all the tests that UASG list, is my software UA-ready? Tex From: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:59 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] Document Review: UASG011 Frequently Asked Questions We have this FAQ published at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/UASG011-160823-en-faq-digital.p... I’d very much welcome comments from the community about this – whether you think it’s fine as it is or whether things have progressed since we last updated this in 2016 or whether there are fresh questions that should be included. If you need a deadline, let’s aim for the 5th of March. Don Don Hollander Secretary General – UASG Skype: Don_Hollander
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