Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI
Yes Dusan, you will need to own ASCII domain to full ascii Alias ID On 24-Feb-2017, 4:30:27 AM Dusan Stojicevic 'dusan@dukes.in.rs' wrote: Excuse me, I need some clearance on this. For example, I am owner of domain name стојичевић.срб, and nothing else. My primary would be душан@стојичевић.срб (mailto:%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%BD@%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B.%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B1), and my alias would be dusan@stojicevic.rs (mailto:dusan@stojicevic.rs) and it would be pointing to the same mailbox. Q1> Do I need to be owner of the ascii domain name stojicevic.rs, in order to get ascii alias? Q2> If not, how do I get alias, and what I can choose? Just user part? Thanks, Dusan From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Andre Schappo Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:16 PM To: ua-discuss <UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI I have my DataMail account setup using the same method and it works well. So I have, 小山@电邮.在线 (mailto:%E5%B0%8F%E5%B1%B1@%E7%94%B5%E9%82%AE.%E5%9C%A8%E7%BA%BF) as my primary and the ascii alias i18n@datamail.in (mailto:i18n@datamail.in) as my ascii secondary. Thus the aliasing is on the whole email address. I consider the local-part should have it's own aliasing. So, taking Ajay's email address, local-part aliasing would give अजय@डाटामेल.भारत (mailto:%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF@%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2.%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4) ajay@डाटामेल.भारत (mailto:ajay@%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2.%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4) and we retain the same domain name. Both whole email address aliasing and local-part aliasing could co-exist André Schappo
On 23 Feb 2017, at 07:04, Ajay Data <ajay@data.in (mailto:ajay@data.in)> wrote:
This is what we are doing as of now.. we are calling it Alias.
One mail box:
My unicode id is - अजय@डाटामेल.भारत (mailto:%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%AF@%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2.%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4)
Alias - aj@datamail.in (mailto:aj@datamail.in)
And it is working well.
Best Wishes
Ajay Data
On February 23, 2017 11:30:02 AM GMT+05:30, Mark Svancarek via UA-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org (mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org)> wrote:
Andre’s suggestion is a good one and we should probably add it to the “things to consider” portion of the document as an option for email service providers.
Regarding Joseph’s comments:
1) I don’t actually recall when we made this suggestion. It will certain work and may improve compatibility with some systems. Perhaps we should make this a consideration rather than a best practice.
2) It’s true that use of IDNA will restrict the mailbox name strings available. I posit that the number of valid strings will still be huge and that the trade-off is acceptable.
3) If an ASCII mailbox alias is offered, then this suggestion is less interesting.
4) Move to the mail service provider section.
5) I no longer remember why we suggested normalizing… sorry
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Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI
When I read the Quick Guide to EAI a few days ago I was somewhat surprised to see punycode/A-Label used with respect to the local-part/mailbox name. Joseph's email has prompted me to respond.
There are many issues to having the local-part as punycode but in this email I will focus on a practical working practice that encompasses both the (huge) transition problem and the long term. I think a Best (Compromise) Practice could be:-
Registration of an internationalised email address would involve registration of both a primary unicode local-part and a secondary ASCII local-part. The ASCII local-part does not need to be a conversion from Unicode to ASCII. Choice of both the Unicode and the ASCII being the choice of the registrant. Both the Unicode and the ASCII would name the same mailbox
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 07:10:28AM +0530, ajay@data.in wrote:
Yes Dusan, you will need to own ASCII domain to full ascii Alias ID
This is part of the reason several of us find "ASCII domain" and "[somelanguage] domain" to be such frustrating terms. There is nothing -- literally, absolultely nothing -- in the DNS that links these different domains, and no way to express such a link. Different registries will have different policies which link the names _administratively_, but nothing will link them technically. So, the way we should properly explain this is, "That's a different domain, so if you want to get mail there you need to control it too." Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
hello, a little different observation here. normally, email address with ascii domain will be regarded as alias of email address with idn domain, or email address with idn domain will be regarded as alias of email address with ascii domain. both email addresses with ascii domain and idn domain will physically point to the same email box. in this case, ascii domain and idn domain should resolve to the same IP address in the DNS after the email system administrators configure the two email address as the alias of each other. So DNS should do something here. Jiankang Yao From: Andrew Sullivan Date: 2017-02-27 23:19 To: ajay CC: UA-discuss Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 07:10:28AM +0530, ajay@data.in wrote:
Yes Dusan, you will need to own ASCII domain to full ascii Alias ID
This is part of the reason several of us find "ASCII domain" and "[somelanguage] domain" to be such frustrating terms. There is nothing -- literally, absolultely nothing -- in the DNS that links these different domains, and no way to express such a link. Different registries will have different policies which link the names _administratively_, but nothing will link them technically. So, the way we should properly explain this is, "That's a different domain, so if you want to get mail there you need to control it too." Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
But doesn’t that require that a system administrator acquire the domain in every writing system (language) that they intent to support? Who is responsible for disambiguating when one company has a domain name such as SAMPLE in French (ÉCHANTILLON)and Arabic (عينة) and a different company has it in German (PROBE) and Chinese Traditional (示例). From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Jiankang Yao Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:04 PM To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Cc: Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay@data.in>; ua-discuss <UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI hello, a little different observation here. normally, email address with ascii domain will be regarded as alias of email address with idn domain, or email address with idn domain will be regarded as alias of email address with ascii domain. both email addresses with ascii domain and idn domain will physically point to the same email box. in this case, ascii domain and idn domain should resolve to the same IP address in the DNS after the email system administrators configure the two email address as the alias of each other. So DNS should do something here. ________________________________ Jiankang Yao From: Andrew Sullivan<mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Date: 2017-02-27 23:19 To: ajay<mailto:ajay@data.in> CC: UA-discuss<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] [UA-EAI] Revised UASG013 - Quick Guide to EAI On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 07:10:28AM +0530, ajay@data.in<mailto:ajay@data.in> wrote:
Yes Dusan, you will need to own ASCII domain to full ascii Alias ID
This is part of the reason several of us find "ASCII domain" and "[somelanguage] domain" to be such frustrating terms. There is nothing -- literally, absolultely nothing -- in the DNS that links these different domains, and no way to express such a link. Different registries will have different policies which link the names _administratively_, but nothing will link them technically. So, the way we should properly explain this is, "That's a different domain, so if you want to get mail there you need to control it too." Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com<mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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