Dear All,

Kind reference is invited for the subject cited above. This is basically regarding the publication of Guest Post on Deployment Issues of Internationalized e-mails on APNIC Blog

2. Blog is published on 23rd January 2017 by APNIC and it is in continuation to the Bar-BoF undersigned has conducted on the above cited issues in IETF 97, Seoul, South Korea as an ISOC fellow.
3. APNIC invited undersigned to write this blog to describe the experience of BAR-BoF and BoF sessions conducted by undersigned at IETF 97. (BoF means Birds of a Feather Session)
4. This document is intended to provide a basic idea to discuss relevant issues and to build a global community to solve the issues of deployment of internationalized e-mails and Universal Acceptance.
5. Kindly use given link to read the blog (Please copy paste the link directly in the browser; if given link doesn't work correctly)

  https://blog.apnic.net/2017/01/23/deployment-issues-internationalized-email/

6. You may utilize this link for cross posting and awareness purposes.
7.        Please provide your valuable feedback on it.

Thanks,
Harish Chowdhary

Thanks,
Harish Chowdhary

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 23:23:43 +0000
From: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
To: "ua-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: [UA-discuss] John Doe in.... Different languages
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We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.

In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com.? In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com.? And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com??

I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.

So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.

Don

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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 12:26:08 +1300
From: Jay Daley <jay@nzrs.net.nz>
To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
Cc: "ua-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in.... Different languages
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Hi Don

There?s a wikipedia page on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_placeholder_names_by_language

best
Jay

> On 2/02/2017, at 12:23 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org> wrote:
>
> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.
>
> In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com. In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com. And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com
>
> I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.
>
> So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.
>
> Don
>
>

--
Jay Daley
Chief Executive
NZRS Ltd
desk: +64 4 931 6977
mobile: +64 21 678840
linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:38:26 +0100
From: Dusan <dusan@dukes.in.rs>
To: Mark Svancarek via UA-discuss <ua-discuss@icann.org>, Don
   Hollander   <don.hollander@icann.org>
Subject: [UA-discuss] ODG: John Doe in.... Different languages
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petar.petrovi?@primer.com
Serbian Latin
?????.????????@??????.???
Serbian Cyrillic

Cheers
Du?an

---- Don Hollander je napisao/la ----

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>We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.
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>In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com.? In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com.? And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com??
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>I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.
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>So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 15:59:34 -0800
From: Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>
To: ua-discuss@icann.org
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in.... Different languages
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On 2/1/2017 3:23 PM, Don Hollander wrote:
>
> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some
> generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.
>
> In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com
> <mailto:john.doe@example.com>. In the UK it might be something like
> john.bull@example.com <mailto:john.bull@example.com>. And in NZ it
> would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com <mailto:Joe.Bloggs@example.com>
>
> I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places,
> particularly those that don?t use only ascii.
>
> So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.
>
> Don
>
Can't help you there; in German, the last name for examples is often
"Mustermann" (where "Muster" is patter/example). Not sure whether he or
she has a preferred first name.

None of them have non-ASCII characters.

A./

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 00:32:42 +0000
From: Jim Hague <jim@sinodun.com>
To: ua-discuss@icann.org
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] John Doe in.... Different languages
Message-ID: <1734290.nA4610Cqb4@hagrid>
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On Wednesday, 1 February 2017 23:23:43 GMT Don Hollander wrote:
> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but
> culturally local, examples of email addresses.
>
> In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com. In the UK it
> might be something like john.bull@example.com. And in NZ it would be
> Joe.Bloggs@example.com

FWIW, here in the UK john.bull@example.com would get you some very strange
looks(*). We're most probably with the Kiwis with Joe (or Fred Bloggs), though
both sound somewhat antiquated and I don't think are commonly used. In fact,
thinking about it I personally would go so far as to say that these days we
don't really have any standard placeholder names, generally preferring to make
up names that sound 'normal' - see, for example, https://
personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/81/~/clear-addressing---
how-to-address-your-mail.

(Of course, having said that I promptly ran across advice on gov.uk design
guidelines https://designpatterns.hackpad.com/Knowledge-based-authentication-Nc91dMM61BZ which uses 'Joe Bloggs').

(*) For those who don't know the name, 'John Bull' is a 18th century archetype
kind of similar to Uncle Sam but without any connotation of links to
government. I rather doubt whether my kids (22 & 19) have heard the name.
--
Jim Hague
jim@sinodun.com Never trust a computer you can't lift.
Sinodun Internet Technologies Ltd. +44 7941 697732

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 06:58:36 +0530
From: ajay@data.in
To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?ua-discuss=40icann.org?=" <ua-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [ajay.uasg@data.in] John Doe in....
   Different languages
Message-ID: <b4009653-ce23-4918-ad53-f3fe96a4584c@Nidhies-iPhone>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello Don

May be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????

Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc in English mail@example.rus

Thanks

On 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AM
Don Hollander 'don.hollander@icann.org' wrote:

We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.

In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com (mailto:john.doe@example.com). In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com (mailto:john.bull@example.com). And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com (mailto:Joe.Bloggs@example.com)

I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.

So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.

Don

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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 05:32:54 +0000
From: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
To: "ajay@data.in" <ajay@data.in>
Cc: "ua-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] John Doe
   in.... Different languages
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks for this.

We?re looking to build a bit of narrative to show how important EAI is to people (in this case imaginary) who can?t currently use email the way that they might want to because their names use non-ascii characters.

Don

> On 2/02/2017, at 2:28 PM, ajay@data.in wrote:
>
> Hello Don
>
> May be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????
>
> Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc <mailto:%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B0@xn--e1afmkfd.pyc> in English mail@example.rus <mailto:mail@example.rus>
>
> Thanks
>
> On 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AM
> Don Hollander 'don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>' wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.
>
>
>
> In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com <mailto:john.doe@example.com>. In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com <mailto:john.bull@example.com>. And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com <mailto:Joe.Bloggs@example.com>
>
>
>
> I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.
>
>
>
> So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.
>
>
>
> Don

Don Hollander
Universal Acceptance Steering Group
Skype: don_hollander

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 09:57:14 +0000
From: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
To: ua-discuss <UA-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: [UA-discuss] UASG 007 - Update
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Just a heads up that we?ve published an update on UASG 007 - Introduction to Universal Acceptance.

Over the past six months we?ve collected just a couple of opportunities for correct and enhancements.

Don

Don Hollander
Universal Acceptance Steering Group
Skype: don_hollander

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 11:21:20 +0000
From: <philippe.fouquart@orange.com>
To: Don Hollander <don.hollander@icann.org>
Cc: "ua-discuss@icann.org" <ua-discuss@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] John Doe
   in.... Different languages
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Don,

In French, John Doe would probably be ?Pierre Dupond? in Europe (which oddly enough is not a very common name statistically) but it may not fit the bill EAI-wise...

For EAI examples, my suggestion would be something like No?l.Andr?@r?gion.fr or H?l?ne.Gu?rin@r?gion.fr

The use of accentuated surnames has been patchy since the advent of typewriters? but those who have one sometimes resent it, these two are the most common which can be accentuated: http://www.filae.com/nom-de-famille/classement-general-1 and other sources.

Hope this helps,

Philippe Fouquart
Orange Labs Networks
+33 (0) 1 57 39 58 13

From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don Hollander
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 6:33 AM
To: ajay@data.in
Cc: ua-discuss@icann.org
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] Re: [ajay.uasg@data.in] John Doe in.... Different languages

Thanks for this.

We?re looking to build a bit of narrative to show how important EAI is to people (in this case imaginary) who can?t currently use email the way that they might want to because their names use non-ascii characters.

Don

On 2/02/2017, at 2:28 PM, ajay@data.in<mailto:ajay@data.in> wrote:

Hello Don

May be we can use SUPPORT@ or MAIL@ instead of name along with country specific example.????

Like for Russia you can use ?????@??????.pyc<mailto:%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%B0@xn--e1afmkfd.pyc> in English mail@example.rus<mailto:mail@example.rus>

Thanks

On 02-Feb-2017, 4:53:43 AM
Don Hollander 'don.hollander@icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>' wrote:

We?re building some documentation around EAI and creating some generic, but culturally local, examples of email addresses.

In the US it might be something like john.doe@example.com<mailto:john.doe@example.com>. In the UK it might be something like john.bull@example.com<mailto:john.bull@example.com>. And in NZ it would be Joe.Bloggs@example.com<mailto:Joe.Bloggs@example.com>

I?m looking for similar, ?everyman? names in other places, particularly those that don?t use only ascii.

So, if you have any suggestions, please do let me know.

Don

Don Hollander
Universal Acceptance Steering Group
Skype: don_hollander

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