Maryland permanent DST?
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill." https://wtop.com/maryland/2020/03/maryland-could-spring-forward-permanently-... State Senate action is set for tomorrow; stay tuned. @dashdashado
On 2020-03-04, at 10:27:18, Arthur David Olson wrote:
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill."
https://wtop.com/maryland/2020/03/maryland-could-spring-forward-permanently-...
Where I read: requires a change in federal law to remain on Daylight Saving Time year-round. Why not switch to Atlantic Standard Time year-round for the same effect, but which can be done by an administrative action by the Secretary of Transportation with no change in federal law? (Is AST permitted? Puerto Rico?)
State Senate action is set for tomorrow; stay tuned.
-- gil
For those interested, the text of the Maryland Senate bill is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/sb/sb0517F.pdf ...and, since it has been cross-filed in the Maryland house, at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/hb/hb1610F.pdf Bill status is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/SB0517 ...and... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/HB1610 (Alas, "https" URLs do not seem to work.) Tomorrow's action is a committee hearing; there's a long road to any change. @dashdashado On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill."
https://wtop.com/maryland/2020/03/maryland-could-spring-forward-permanently-...
State Senate action is set for tomorrow; stay tuned.
@dashdashado
Video of yesterday's Maryland Senate committee hearing on a permanent Daylight Saving Time bill (among other matters) is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Committees/Media/false?cmte=ehe&clip=E... ...with the relevant section starting at 1:36:01 and ending about 1:50:22. Grating references by the bill author to "Daylight Savings Time," testimony both for and again the bill, and a display by the presiding officer of a sheaf of written testimony. Hearing participants include a "subject matter expert." The presiding officer mentions how a shift might have unintended consequences on events such as Groundhog Day. We'll see what happens. @dashdashado On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
For those interested, the text of the Maryland Senate bill is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/sb/sb0517F.pdf ...and, since it has been cross-filed in the Maryland house, at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/hb/hb1610F.pdf
Bill status is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/SB0517 ...and... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/HB1610
(Alas, "https" URLs do not seem to work.)
Tomorrow's action is a committee hearing; there's a long road to any change.
@dashdashado
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill."
https://wtop.com/maryland/2020/03/maryland-could-spring-forward-permanently-...
State Senate action is set for tomorrow; stay tuned.
@dashdashado
The Maryland permanent DST bill* includes this text: If the Department of Legislative Services receives notice of the change to 15 U.S.C. § 260a on or before December 31, 2025, Section 1 of this Act shall take effect on the second Sunday of March or the first Sunday in November after the change to 15 U.S.C. § 260a becomes effective, whichever occurs first. Which means that the switch could occur with one day's notice. I'd like to avoid the embarrassment of My Fair State causing time zone problems; I'd like to send something to my state senator. 1. What's the best available statement on desirable lead times? 2. In the case at hand, is changing to "on the second Sunday of March in the year after the change" sufficient? 3. My guess is that IANA would not want to weigh in on time zone changes, but would IANA want to weigh in on lead time requirements? (Would the benefits to IANA's community outweigh the costs of weighing in?) Thanks for any light folks can shed. @dashdashado _ *http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/sb/sb0517F.pdf On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
For those interested, the text of the Maryland Senate bill is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/sb/sb0517F.pdf ...and, since it has been cross-filed in the Maryland house, at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2020RS/bills/hb/hb1610F.pdf
Bill status is available at... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/SB0517 ...and... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/HB1610
(Alas, "https" URLs do not seem to work.)
Tomorrow's action is a committee hearing; there's a long road to any change.
@dashdashado
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill."
https://wtop.com/maryland/2020/03/maryland-could-spring-forward-permanently-...
State Senate action is set for tomorrow; stay tuned.
@dashdashado
On 3/5/20 4:12 PM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
1. What's the best available statement on desirable lead times?
<https://data.iana.org/time-zones/tz-link.html#changes> says this: "If your government plans to change its time zone boundaries or daylight saving rules, inform tz@iana.org well in advance, as this will coordinate updates to many cell phones, computers, and other devices around the world. With less than a year's notice there is a good chance that some computer-based clocks will operate incorrectly after the change, due to delays in propagating updates to software and data. The shorter the notice, the more likely clock problems will arise; see 'On the Timing of Time Zone Changes' for examples."
2. In the case at hand, is changing to "on the second Sunday of March in the year after the change" sufficient?
Most likely. It depends on whether the federal change gives us enough notice. Last time it did, and I'd expect the same this time.
Word from a staffer in the office of Lorig Charkoudian, a Maryland Delegate to whom I wrote regarding the desirability of a bill being considered requiring lots of advance notice of Daylight Saving changes: "at this point, the bill does not look like it will progress favorably this session." @dashdashado On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 3/5/20 4:12 PM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
1. What's the best available statement on desirable lead times?
<https://data.iana.org/time-zones/tz-link.html#changes> says this:
"If your government plans to change its time zone boundaries or daylight saving rules, inform tz@iana.org well in advance, as this will coordinate updates to many cell phones, computers, and other devices around the world. With less than a year's notice there is a good chance that some computer-based clocks will operate incorrectly after the change, due to delays in propagating updates to software and data. The shorter the notice, the more likely clock problems will arise; see 'On the Timing of Time Zone Changes' for examples."
2. In the case at hand, is changing to "on the second Sunday of March in the year after the change" sufficient?
Most likely. It depends on whether the federal change gives us enough notice. Last time it did, and I'd expect the same this time.
The Maryland state legislature has adjourned. The "passed by both chambers" status page... http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Report?id=passedByBoth ...includes neither of the (identical) permanent DST bills (HB1610 and SB0517). However, according to a Washington Post item... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/historic-session-abbreviate... ..."General Assembly leaders vowed to return for a special session at the end of May..." We'll see what happens. ' @dashdashado On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 5:46 PM Arthur David Olson < arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
Word from a staffer in the office of Lorig Charkoudian, a Maryland Delegate to whom I wrote regarding the desirability of a bill being considered requiring lots of advance notice of Daylight Saving changes: "at this point, the bill does not look like it will progress favorably this session."
@dashdashado
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 3/5/20 4:12 PM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
1. What's the best available statement on desirable lead times?
<https://data.iana.org/time-zones/tz-link.html#changes> says this:
"If your government plans to change its time zone boundaries or daylight saving rules, inform tz@iana.org well in advance, as this will coordinate updates to many cell phones, computers, and other devices around the world. With less than a year's notice there is a good chance that some computer-based clocks will operate incorrectly after the change, due to delays in propagating updates to software and data. The shorter the notice, the more likely clock problems will arise; see 'On the Timing of Time Zone Changes' for examples."
2. In the case at hand, is changing to "on the second Sunday of March in the year after the change" sufficient?
Most likely. It depends on whether the federal change gives us enough notice. Last time it did, and I'd expect the same this time.
On 3/4/20 9:27 AM, Arthur David Olson wrote:
"Maryland could spring forward permanently with Daylight Saving Time bill."
Similar bills have passed or have been considered in most other states, including Maryland's neighbors Delaware, Virginia, and West Virginia. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_S... Looks like someone should update that page for Maryland.
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