I have the impression that some of the comments in the Russia section in file 'europe' have not been followed through in the actual zone tables. I refer to the lines beginning here # From Stepan Golosunov (2016-03-07): # 11. Regions-violators, 1981-1982. # Wikipedia refers to # http://maps.monetonos.ru/maps/raznoe/Old_Maps/Old_Maps/Articles/022/3_1981.h... # http://besp.narod.ru/nauka_1981_3.htm ... until # 12. Udmurtia Also the Russian wikipedia page https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%... contains the sentence (in Google translation)
In the autumn of 1981, Arkhangelsk, Vologda, Yaroslavl, Ivanovo, Vladimir, Ryazan, Lipetsk, Voronezh, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar and regions to the east of those named (about 30 in total) parted ways with Moscow time.However, the convenience of common time with Moscow turned out to be decisive - in 1982, these regions again switched to Moscow time.
Shanks International atlas has similar information, and also the Russian book Zaitsev A., Kutalev D. A new astrologer's reference book. Coordinates of cities and time corrections, - The World of Urania, 2012 Russian: Зайцев А., Куталёв Д., Новый справочник астролога. Координаты городов и временные поправки To me it seems that an extra zone is needed, which starts with LMT util 1919, later follows Moscow since 1930, but deviates from it between 1 October 1981 until 1 April 1982. I suggest to call this zone Europe/Yaroslavl, because Yaroslavl with a population of 608'000 seems to be largest city in the deviating area.
correction: Rostov-on-Don is the larger city, with 1.1 million inhabitants On 15.02.22 19:39, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
To me it seems that an extra zone is needed, which starts with LMT util 1919, later follows Moscow since 1930, but deviates from it between 1 October 1981 until 1 April 1982.
I suggest to call this zone Europe/Yaroslavl, because Yaroslavl with a population of 608'000 seems to be largest city in the deviating area.
On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 07:44:35PM +0100, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
correction: Rostov-on-Don is the larger city, with 1.1 million inhabitants
Well, the 3 largest cities in the affected area would be Nizhny Novgorod (Gorky at the time), Kazan and Rostov-on-Don. And which one of them is larger changed with time. Another caveat: I do not know whether they were on the same time in 1970. They all were on Moscow+1 time and switched to Moscow time in different years. https://vladimir-l-s.livejournal.com/36842.html contains 1969 map placing Gorky in Moscow+1 zone and discusses whether this is an error on the map. (Note «Территории, на которых фактическое исчисление времени отличается от декретного на минус 1 час (официально не утверждено)» wording in the legend of the map.)
On 15.02.22 19:39, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
To me it seems that an extra zone is needed, which starts with LMT util 1919, later follows Moscow since 1930, but deviates from it between 1 October 1981 until 1 April 1982.
I suggest to call this zone Europe/Yaroslavl, because Yaroslavl with a population of 608'000 seems to be largest city in the deviating area.
On 2/15/22 10:39, Alois Treindl via tz wrote:
In the autumn of 1981, Arkhangelsk, Vologda, Yaroslavl, Ivanovo, Vladimir, Ryazan, Lipetsk, Voronezh, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnodar and regions to the east of those named (about 30 in total) parted ways with Moscow time.However, the convenience of common time with Moscow turned out to be decisive - in 1982, these regions again switched to Moscow time.
Currently we list 45 regions under Europe/Moscow. Is there some way to reliably come up with the list of "about 30" Russian regions that deviated from Moscow in 1981? If so, we can find the largest city in that area and come up with some approximation to a Zone. In the meantime, we can add your remarks to the already-existing commentary saying that this part of our Russian time zone history is incomplete, as per the attached proposed patch.
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