European Parliament votes to drop DST by 2021, leaving it to member states
The European Parliament has just voted 410-192 in favor of dropping its DST requirement in the EU by 2021. The vote is not the last word on the issue but will form the basis of discussions with EU countries to produce a final law. Under the proposal, each member state would decide amongst three options: - to continue with twice-a-year clock changes, - to stick permanently to summer time, or - to stick permanently to winter time. All member states would need to inform the European Commission of their choice ahead of the proposed switch, by April 2020. They would then coordinate with the bloc's executive so that their decisions do not disrupt the functioning of the single market. The European Commission proposed in September ending the practice after an EU-wide opinion survey showed a large majority in favor of doing so. The survey generated 4.6 million responses, with 84% of respondents wanting to end seasonal clock changes. Critics say the survey was dominated by Germans, who made up 70% of the respondents. https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-votes-to-end-daylight-savings/a-48064185 https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2019/0326/1038689-eu-daylight-savings/ -- Tim Parenti
Le 26/03/2019 à 15:03, Tim Parenti a écrit :
Under the proposal, each member state would decide amongst three options:
* to continue with twice-a-year clock changes, * to stick permanently to summer time, or * to stick permanently to winter time.
According to https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1576465&t=e... (the committee report on which the full European Parliament voted today), only the last two options would be permitted; no further twice-yearly changes would be permitted. -- John
John Wilcock said:
Under the proposal, each member state would decide amongst three options:
* to continue with twice-a-year clock changes, * to stick permanently to summer time, or * to stick permanently to winter time.
According to https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1576465&t=e... (the committee report on which the full European Parliament voted today), only the last two options would be permitted; no further twice-yearly changes would be permitted.
That seems more likely; changes to the difference between countries cause far more problems than having a constant difference. That's why they harmonized the change date in the first place. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 12:00, Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> wrote:
According to
https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1576465&t=e...
(the committee report on which the full European Parliament voted today), only the last two options would be permitted; no further twice-yearly changes would be permitted.
That seems more likely; changes to the difference between countries cause far more problems than having a constant difference. That's why they harmonized the change date in the first place.
That certainly makes a lot more sense than what the article I was quoting suggested! Summarizing: Member states are explicitly encouraged to work together, which is encouraging, and each must notify the Commission of their (initial) decision by 1 April 2020. Then, if significant disruptions to the common market are envisaged (perhaps e.g., an island of CEST/UTC+2 in a sea of CET/UTC+1), the Commission then informs the member states of the potential issue. But ultimately, *each member state can choose to maintain or reverse its initial decision until 31 October 2020.* It looks like those choosing to stay on summer time will "spring forward" for the last time on 28 March 2021; those choosing to stay on winter time will "fall back" for the last time on 31 October 2021. Since everyone will spring forward in March 2021, this means that *we should have roughly a year's notice* before any timestamps are actually affected by only some states falling back in October 2021. It's good that that got through, at least. If the situation gets too complicated (presumably resulting in an inharmonious time zone "patchwork"), the Commission can delay implementation by a year while seeking a legislative solution. The success of the scheme will also be evaluated by 2025. -- Tim Parenti
Tim Parenti said:
It looks like those choosing to stay on summer time will "spring forward" for the last time on 28 March 2021; those choosing to stay on winter time will "fall back" for the last time on 31 October 2021.
What is completely unclear is how this will affect the UK. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
I think anything involving the UK is unclear right now. The UK has enough parliamentary process that we'll probably have some notice though. We should know if it stays in the EU or leaves within a month (hopefully). Am Di, 26. Mär 2019, um 18:43, schrieb Clive D.W. Feather:
Tim Parenti said:
It looks like those choosing to stay on summer time will "spring forward" for the last time on 28 March 2021; those choosing to stay on winter time will "fall back" for the last time on 31 October 2021.
What is completely unclear is how this will affect the UK.
-- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 14:43, Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> wrote:
What is completely unclear is how this will affect the UK.
I'd be more interested to see what Switzerland, Norway, and the non-EU states of the Adriatic Charter do, given their proximity. That's where we're likely to get a bit less notice, since anything decision they make is likely to be at least partially in response to how the EU states re-harmonize themselves. But yes, if the UK does indeed leave the EU at any point before 2021, presumably they'd find themselves undertaking a similar decision. -- Tim Parenti
On 2019-03-26 13:22, Tim Parenti wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 14:43, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: What is completely unclear is how this will affect the UK. I'd be more interested to see what Switzerland, Norway, and the non-EU states of the Adriatic Charter do, given their proximity. That's where we're likely to get a bit less notice, since anything decision they make is likely to be at least partially in response to how the EU states re-harmonize themselves. But yes, if the UK does indeed leave the EU at any point before 2021, presumably they'd find themselves undertaking a similar decision.
The John Bulls and Colonel Blimps now running Little England would never drop GMT and may keep observing BST just to be different. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 15:32, Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@systematicsw.ab.ca> wrote:
The John Bulls and Colonel Blimps now running Little England would never drop GMT and may keep observing BST just to be different.
I never said that any given response would necessarily be positive! :P We shall see. -- Tim Parenti
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