I am new to the list but would like to make a proposal for Xinjiang time. I have looked through previous posts about Xinjiang and would agree with the paradoxical statements that: 1. All of China is on one time zone, (Zhe Su Jun 26, 2006) and 2. Xinjiang has another, governmentally recognized time zone. (Thomas S. Mullaney Feb 12, 2008) Almost all (>99.9%) ethnic Chinese (properly ethnic Han) living in Xinjiang use Chinese Standard Time. Some are aware of Xinjiang time, but have no need of it. All planes, trains, and schools function on what is called "Beijing time". When Han make an appointment in Chinese they implicitly use Beijing time. On the other hand, ethnic Uyghurs, who make up about half the population of Xinjiang, typically use "Xinjiang time" which is two hours behind Beijing time, or UTC +0600. The government of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, (XAUR, or just Xinjiang for short) as well as local governments such as the Urumqi city government use both times in publications, referring to what is popularly called Xinjiang time as "Urumqi time". When Uyghurs make an appointment in the Uyghur language they almost invariably use Xinjiang time. (Their ethnic Han compatriots would typically have no clue of its widespread use, however, because so extremely few of them are fluent in Uyghur, comparable to the number of Anglo-Americans fluent in Navajo.) Because there presently is no time localization for a large Uyghur population who set their watches to Xinjiang time, I propose that the last line of the "Asia/Urumqi" and "Asia/Kashgar" entries be changed so that the entries read: Zone Asia/Urumqi 5:50:20 - LMT 1928 # or Urumchi 6:00 - URUT 1980 May # Urumqi Time 6:00 - XJT #Xinjiang Time and Zone Asia/Kashgar 5:03:56 - LMT 1928 # or Kashi or Kaxgar 5:30 - KAST 1940 # Kashgar Time 5:00 - KAST 1980 May 6:00 - XJT #Xinjiang Time (I did not include the PRC rule. As with the rest of China there was a brief interval ending in 1990 or 1991 when summer time was in use. The confusion was severe, with the province not having dual times but four times in use at the same time. Some areas remained on standard Xinjiang time or Beijing time and others moving their clocks ahead.) This proposed correction would reflect usage for at least the last thirty years and would be a great help to Uyghurs who are becoming increasingly technologically sophisticated. (They routinely use Uyghur localized operating systems and localized cell phones.) XJT would also be preferable to URUT as this reflects standard usage as well as correctly reflects the time zone for an area (in this case, the autonomous region) and not just a city. I don't believe that this would cause the slightest difficulty for ethnic Han population, as they would typically set their phones and computer time to Beijing. Some may only be a bit surprised that a separate Xinjiang exists. I, myself, speak from being present in Xinjiang off and on since the 80's; from my own observations as well as from asking informants who came from outlying areas. Unfortunately, Internet documentation of the actual law is presently hard to get. Immediately after the events of earlier this summer, Internet in Xinjiang was cut and is still out, so many Xinjiang sites are unavailable. Below, though, is an example of an official website using of Urumqi time. The first few lines of the Google translation of http://www.fjysgl.gov.cn/show.aspx?id=2379&cid=39 (retrieved 2009-10-13)
Urumqi fire seven people are missing the alleged losses of at least 500 million yuan
(Reporter Dong Liu) the day before 20:20 or so (Urumqi Time 18:20), Urumqi City Department of International Plaza Luther Qiantang River burst fire. As of yesterday, 18:30, Urumqi City Fire officers and men have worked continuously for 22 hours, ....
-Lude (Luther) Ma PS This request was actually prompted by tzdata being updated for summer time in Dhaka. Previously Asia/Dhaka was a good work-around for for me and others not having a proper Xinjiang time. The update has caused me to ask if there might be a better solution.
Almost all (>99.9%) ethnic Chinese (properly ethnic Han) living in Xinjiang use Chinese Standard Time. Some are aware of Xinjiang time, but have no need of it. All planes, trains, and schools function on what is called "Beijing time". When Han make an appointment in Chinese they implicitly use Beijing time.
On the other hand, ethnic Uyghurs, who make up about half the population of Xinjiang, typically use "Xinjiang time" which is two hours behind Beijing time, or UTC +0600. The government of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, (XAUR, or just Xinjiang for short) as well as local governments such as the Urumqi city government use both times in publications, referring to what is popularly called Xinjiang time as "Urumqi time". When Uyghurs make an appointment in the Uyghur language they almost invariably use Xinjiang time.
Xinjiang Time is sort of unofficial time, which is the same time as in nearby Kazakhstan (2 hours behind Bejing Time). Here I found some sites from Chinese web sites in Chinese, where mentioned “Xinjiang time” for some Television Stations, by minorities in National Restaurant Table, local places to the west from Kashgar (Kashi) ... LonelyChina- Travel China Information Center http://www.lonelychina.com/xinjiang/ Xinjiang Time " ....Locally, there is such a thing as unofficial “Xinjiang time”, a couple of hours behind Beijing time, which is used more frequently the further west you head towards Kashgar; when buying bus, train or plane tickets, you should be absolutely clear about which time is being used..." (Chinese web site) http://www.sm114.com.cn/s/tvmt/100744318.html Xinjiang Television Station posted scheduale (in 2004) using Xinjiang time Xinjiang Television Station (Kazakh language variety channel) September 1, 2004 implementation date (Chinese web site) http://wenda.tianya.cn/wenda/thread?tid=2b14b40b1c076cf4&clk=wttpcts (Computer Translation to English): The time difference between Beijing and Urumqi, how many hours ? - Urumqi, Xinjiang, and Beijing is actually the geographical difference of nearly 3 hours - The use of two kinds of time in Xinjiang: Beijing Time: Xinjiang time: 2 hours later than Beijing is only partially used for example in the minority: National Restaurant Table ---------------------- Alexander Krivenyshev (World Time Zone) http://www.worldtimezone.com
On Oct 17, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Alexander Krivenyshev wrote:
Xinjiang Time is sort of unofficial time, which is the same time as in nearby Kazakhstan (2 hours behind Bejing Time).
As far as I understand from Uyghur sources in Xinjiang it is actually an official time, but unfortunately I don't have any documentation for that.
Here I found some sites from Chinese web sites in Chinese, where mentioned “Xinjiang time” for some Television Stations, by minorities in National Restaurant Table, local places to the west from Kashgar (Kashi) ...
Official or not, though, if it is used in official publications and in TV programing it seems like it would be nice to be able to also set your computer to XJ time. -Lude (Luther) Ma
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:40:12 +0600 From: Luther Ma <ma.lude.xj@gmail.com> Message-ID: <852DA66F-6893-49F0-8A90-FE42AE5E26C7@gmail.com> | Official or not, though, if it is used in official publications and in | TV programing it seems like it would be nice to be able to also set | your computer to XJ time. Yes, being "official" (whatever that really means) has never been a criterion, what matters is that the timezone is actually used by people, and that it have some defined locality of reference (it is better if it is the most commonly observed time reference within that region, but I don't think we've ever required that, or have a way to verify it if we did.) If the rules proposed look to be reasonably complete and accurate I support adding them. kre
Below are a few web sites to lend some credence to the existence and use Xinjiang Time (aka Urumqi Time). The Chinese language Wikipedia entry for Beijing Time (北京时间): http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/北京时间 , which includes the line:
"...而在新疆民间,乌鲁木齐时间(UTC+6)较为普及。" -> ".. and furthermore, among Xinjiang ethicities, Urumqi time (UTC+6) is more popular"
Wikipedia, of course is not authoritative but does provide a condensation of various contributions on a topic. Hudong is China's own version of Wikipedia. It actually competes favorably with Wikipedia in country, and, at the same time avoids politically sensitive topics. They have their own entry for Urumqi Time (乌鲁木齐时间): http://www.hudong.com/wiki/乌鲁木齐时间
新疆维吾尔自治区由于地处中国最西边,与北京等中 东部地区时差2小时,使用地方时间(乌鲁木齐时 间)。乌鲁木齐时间比北京时间晚2小时,即乌鲁木齐 时间10时相当于北京时间12时。所以新疆自治区政府机 关作息时间与内地有较大区别。 -> Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, being situated in China's far west uses local time (Urumqi time), two hours different from Beijing and other places in the central and eastern regions. Urumqi time is two hours later than Beijing time, namely 10 o'clock Urumqi time is equivalent to 12 Beijing time. Therefore the daily schedules for Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region government agencies differ greatly from those in the heartland.
The website "www.timedate.cn" also has a couple pages for Urumqi Time: http://www.timedate.cn/worldclock/city.asp?n=39 (in Chinese) http://en.timedate.cn/worldclock/city.asp?n=39 (in English) As I mentioned in my original post, all of China uses Beijing Time and almost all Han (ethnic Chinese) set their watches to Beijing (also those living in Xinjiang). But there is also a recognized, valid Urumqi Time used in Xinjiang, and especially by the Uyghur population. "Urumqi Time" is the official term but the term, "Xinjiang Time" is much more commonly used. -LuDe (Luther) Ma PS If you are using online translators for these and other sites, www.worldlingo.com/wl/Translate may give you a better results than Google translator.
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