The 2013-11-04 New Yorker includes "New York Time," a story on an effort to repeal New York City DST laws that differ from US law. The online-but-paywalled link: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/04/131104ta_talk_mcgrath @dashdashado
An amusing opinion piece opposing DST appeared in Friday's Wall Street Journal. Amusing, because it's entirely based on a misconception. It starts like this: Every November, a great theft is perpetrated against hundreds of millions of innocent people. They are robbed of an hour of afternoon sunlight by the government decree known as daylight-saving time. In other words, the author mistakenly thinks that daylight saving time occurs in the winter, and that standard time occurs in the summer. The writer claims to be opposed to DST, but is actually arguing for year-round DST. Despite being hopelessly confused about DST, the author was nice enough to grab our Robertson Davies quote, presumably from the commentary in the tz database either directly or indirectly. It doesn't get any better than Davies. My source: Foreman A. The bad idea of daylight-saving time. Wall Street Journal 2013-11-15 http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303482504579178090622554...
Not being able to read the article I went hunting and found this gem: http://www.jimelwood.net/students/chiba/intercomm/calandrillo_buehler(2008)e... The following quote is priceless: During the summer of 1965, St. Paul police officers wore two watches because the police and fire departments used separate measures of time. Travelers on the thirty-five minute bus ride from Steubenville, Ohio, to Moundsville, West Virginia had to change their watches seven times. From: tz-bounces@iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of Arthur David Olson Sent: 18 November 2013 00:06 To: tz@iana.org Subject: [tz] Time zone in the news The 2013-11-04 New Yorker includes "New York Time," a story on an effort to repeal New York City DST laws that differ from US law. The online-but-paywalled link: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/04/131104ta_talk_mcgrath @dashdashado ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ---------------------
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 19:05, Arthur David Olson wrote:
The 2013-11-04 New Yorker includes "New York Time," a story on an effort to repeal New York City DST laws that differ from US law. The online-but-paywalled link: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/04/131104ta_talk_mcgrath
@dashdashado
If there are in fact New York City laws that are different from US law, this has major implications for the database - unless they're simply not followed by anyone and therefore ignored.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, <random832@fastmail.us> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 19:05, Arthur David Olson wrote:
The 2013-11-04 New Yorker includes "New York Time," a story on an effort to repeal New York City DST laws that differ from US law. The online-but-paywalled link: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/04/131104ta_talk_mcgrath
@dashdashado
If there are in fact New York City laws that are different from US law, this has major implications for the database - unless they're simply not followed by anyone and therefore ignored.
I assume they are not followed. They certainly would have no force; US law controls. paul
As a NYC resident, I can assure you we follow US time :) Just for completeness, here's the link to the actual law on the NY state website: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$A... § 2-106 Daylight saving time; effect thereof on public proceedings. The standard time throughout the city of New York is that of the seventy-fifth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich, except that at two o'clock ante-meridian of the last Sunday in April of each year such standard time throughout the city shall be advanced one hour, and at two o'clock ante-meridian of the last Sunday in October of each year, such standard time shall, by the retarding of one hour, be returned to the mean astronomical time of the seventy-fifth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich, and all courts, public offices and legal and official proceedings shall be regulated thereby. -Andrew On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM, <Paul_Koning@dell.com> wrote:
On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:33 PM, <random832@fastmail.us> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 19:05, Arthur David Olson wrote:
The 2013-11-04 New Yorker includes "New York Time," a story on an effort to repeal New York City DST laws that differ from US law. The online-but-paywalled link: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/11/04/131104ta_talk_mcgrath
@dashdashado
If there are in fact New York City laws that are different from US law, this has major implications for the database - unless they're simply not followed by anyone and therefore ignored.
I assume they are not followed. They certainly would have no force; US law controls.
paul
On 2013-11-18 16:06, Andrew Paprocki wrote:
As a NYC resident, I can assure you we follow US time :) Just for completeness, here's the link to the actual law on the NY state website: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$A... § 2-106 Daylight saving time; effect thereof on public proceedings. The standard time throughout the city of New York is that of the seventy-fifth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich, except that at two o'clock ante-meridian of the last Sunday in April of each year such standard time throughout the city shall be advanced one hour, and at two o'clock ante-meridian of the last Sunday in October of each year, such standard time shall, by the retarding of one hour, be returned to the mean astronomical time of the seventy-fifth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich, and all courts, public offices and legal and official proceedings shall be regulated thereby. I think that law may have been annulled, changed, or repealed before March 2007? ;^> -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis
If there are in fact New York City laws that are different from US law, this has major implications for the database - unless they're simply not followed by anyone and therefore ignored.
The New Yorker article does mention that everybody follows the federal rules, and that federal law trumps municipal law. So no implications for the database (additional commentary might or might not be useful). @dashdashado
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