It looks like your base has inadvertently become a hostage to politics. Theoretically, your point of view should coincide with UN resolutions. It says that Russia temporarily occupied Crimea. And this territory is still considered Ukrainian. You can find evidence on the google => “site:undocs.org crimea occupation”. I found the following information in your database: # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2014-03-17): # time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014 # https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html # From Paul Eggert (2014-03-30): # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks # late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about. 2:00 EU EE%sT 2014 Mar 30 2:00 4:00 - MSK 2014 Oct 26 2:00s 3:00 - MSK The source of your time change data comes from the occupying country. Unreliable source. Can you tell me the reasons for your decision? And don't you plan to correct this mistake? Do you have evidence of the legitimacy of the government that changed the time zone in the conflict area?
The reality is that the people of Crimea observe Moscow time, which is presumably why he listing was changed. The goal of this list isn't to be politically convenient or follow a UN resolution, it's to indicate the reality of a situation. Jacob Pratt On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 12:35 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
It looks like your base has inadvertently become a hostage to politics.
Theoretically, your point of view should coincide with UN resolutions. It says that Russia temporarily occupied Crimea. And this territory is still considered Ukrainian.
You can find evidence on the google => “site:undocs.org crimea occupation”.
I found the following information in your database:
# From Alexander Krivenyshev (2014-03-17):
# time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014
# https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html
# From Paul Eggert (2014-03-30):
# Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks
# late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial
# and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about.
2:00 EU EE%sT 2014 Mar 30 2:00
4:00 - MSK 2014 Oct 26 2:00s
3:00 - MSK
The source of your time change data comes from the occupying country. Unreliable source.
Can you tell me the reasons for your decision? And don't you plan to correct this mistake? Do you have evidence of the legitimacy of the government that changed the time zone in the conflict area?
The reality of the situation is not that the time zone was changed there, but that this territory was occupied. This territory has become a conflict. And the decision to change the time zone has in fact already come from the occupation government. I believe that the decision to change the time zone in the conflict area is not neutral. This decision legitimizes the occupying government. Although the conflict is not over yet and the courts are ongoing. International negotiations are underway. In my opinion, it would be neutral not to make any changes. But you have already made a change. Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
The people on the ground observe Moscow time. That is what matters, nothing more. Jacob Pratt On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 13:23 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
The reality of the situation is not that the time zone was changed there, but that this territory was occupied. This territory has become a conflict. And the decision to change the time zone has in fact already come from the occupation government. I believe that the decision to change the time zone in the conflict area is not neutral. This decision legitimizes the occupying government. Although the conflict is not over yet and the courts are ongoing. International negotiations are underway. In my opinion, it would be neutral not to make any changes. But you have already made a change. Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
The people on the ground observe Moscow time.
Where do you get information about this fact? сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 20:29 Jacob Pratt <jacob@jhpratt.dev> пише:
The people on the ground observe Moscow time. That is what matters, nothing more.
Jacob Pratt
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 13:23 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
The reality of the situation is not that the time zone was changed there, but that this territory was occupied. This territory has become a conflict. And the decision to change the time zone has in fact already come from the occupation government. I believe that the decision to change the time zone in the conflict area is not neutral. This decision legitimizes the occupying government. Although the conflict is not over yet and the courts are ongoing. International negotiations are underway. In my opinion, it would be neutral not to make any changes. But you have already made a change. Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
Andriy Ivanchenko said:
Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
That is an unanswerable question, so we don't try to answer it. We work on the basis of the time actually observed by the people who live in the place. In the case of the Crimea, that's Moscow time whether we like it or not. When Germany invaded France in 1940, they changed their clocks to match German time. I would take the view that that was not a legitimate change. Nevertheless, it's what people actually used in France from then on and therefore that's what we put in the database. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
What is wrong if you do not indicate a change to switch to the time zone from occupation government? сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 20:41 Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> пише:
Andriy Ivanchenko said:
Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
That is an unanswerable question, so we don't try to answer it.
We work on the basis of the time actually observed by the people who live in the place. In the case of the Crimea, that's Moscow time whether we like it or not.
When Germany invaded France in 1940, they changed their clocks to match German time. I would take the view that that was not a legitimate change. Nevertheless, it's what people actually used in France from then on and therefore that's what we put in the database.
-- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
What is wrong is that that is not the reality of the time that people observe. The fact that a territory is internationally recognized as occupied is irrelevant. Jacob Pratt On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 14:02 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
What is wrong if you do not indicate a change to switch to the time zone from occupation government?
сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 20:41 Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> пише:
Andriy Ivanchenko said:
Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
That is an unanswerable question, so we don't try to answer it.
We work on the basis of the time actually observed by the people who live in the place. In the case of the Crimea, that's Moscow time whether we like it or not.
When Germany invaded France in 1940, they changed their clocks to match German time. I would take the view that that was not a legitimate change. Nevertheless, it's what people actually used in France from then on and therefore that's what we put in the database.
-- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
Andriy Ivanchenko said:
We work on the basis of the time actually observed by the people who live in the place. In the case of the Crimea, that's Moscow time whether we like it or not. What is wrong if you do not indicate a change to switch to the time zone from occupation government?
When somebody tries to convert records from the locality to other time zones, they'll get the wrong answer. What time do people in the Crimea *actually* use? I don't care why they use it or who told them that was the time. We care what they actually use. If I recall correctly, there is a part of China where - although official time is UTC+8, many local people use UTC+6. We offer both times in the database (Asia/Shanghai and Asia/Urumqi) because both are actually used. -- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
How do you determine the actual time in the area? сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 21:13 Clive D.W. Feather <clive@davros.org> пише:
Andriy Ivanchenko said:
We work on the basis of the time actually observed by the people who live in the place. In the case of the Crimea, that's Moscow time whether we like it or not. What is wrong if you do not indicate a change to switch to the time zone from occupation government?
When somebody tries to convert records from the locality to other time zones, they'll get the wrong answer.
What time do people in the Crimea *actually* use? I don't care why they use it or who told them that was the time. We care what they actually use.
If I recall correctly, there is a part of China where - although official time is UTC+8, many local people use UTC+6. We offer both times in the database (Asia/Shanghai and Asia/Urumqi) because both are actually used.
-- Clive D.W. Feather | If you lie to the compiler, Email: clive@davros.org | it will get its revenge. Web: http://www.davros.org | - Henry Spencer Mobile: +44 7973 377646
What we are trying to do is to provide the correct time for the people who live in each region. Choosing a different timezone other than the one the people use for whatever reason makes little sense. Unfortunately I think that the time has come to create a separate mailing list for technical discussions that have nothing to do with politics. Best, christos
On Nov 28, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
The reality of the situation is not that the time zone was changed there, but that this territory was occupied. This territory has become a conflict. And the decision to change the time zone has in fact already come from the occupation government. I believe that the decision to change the time zone in the conflict area is not neutral. This decision legitimizes the occupying government. Although the conflict is not over yet and the courts are ongoing. International negotiations are underway. In my opinion, it would be neutral not to make any changes. But you have already made a change. Can you prove that the change of time in any territory is legitimate? Who has the right to indicate which time zone in a conflict area?
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On 11/28/20 9:34 AM, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
It looks like your base has inadvertently become a hostage to politics.
Politics inevitably intrude upon timekeeping, and this has been true for millennia. The best we can do is minimize the effect; we cannot eliminate it. As for timekeeping in conflict areas, we typically don't track it carefully. We don't have entries for every town that changed hands during World War II, during the wars in Congo since 1996, etc., etc. We and our users simply don't have the resources for that. If a city already has an entry for other reasons we may try to track its civil timekeeping through a conflict, but we won't create an entry simply because there was a war and a city changed hands temporarily. In short, tzdb is a peacetime database. It is not designed for conflict and people engaged in a war will likely need to set their clocks by other means.
The capture of Crimea was not peaceful. I understand that you may not have investigated this issue. But where do you have evidence that Crimea was occupied peacefully? What sources do you use to determine whether or not the occupation is peaceful? What is a peaceful occupation? And what is war in this case? I think it's all political concepts. Was there a war during the capture of Crimea or not. Wouldn't it be more logical to use an adapted organization for such definitions: the UN? # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2014-03-17): # time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014 # https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html # From Paul Eggert (2014-03-30): # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks # late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about. 2:00 EU EE%sT 2014 Mar 30 2:00 4:00 - MSK 2014 Oct 26 2:00s 3:00 - MSK сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 21:38 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> пише:
On 11/28/20 9:34 AM, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
It looks like your base has inadvertently become a hostage to politics.
Politics inevitably intrude upon timekeeping, and this has been true for millennia. The best we can do is minimize the effect; we cannot eliminate it.
As for timekeeping in conflict areas, we typically don't track it carefully. We don't have entries for every town that changed hands during World War II, during the wars in Congo since 1996, etc., etc. We and our users simply don't have the resources for that. If a city already has an entry for other reasons we may try to track its civil timekeeping through a conflict, but we won't create an entry simply because there was a war and a city changed hands temporarily.
In short, tzdb is a peacetime database. It is not designed for conflict and people engaged in a war will likely need to set their clocks by other means.
I see an entry in your database. # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2014-03-17): # time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014 # https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html # From Paul Eggert (2014-03-30): # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks # late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about. 2:00 EU EE%sT 2014 Mar 30 2:00 4:00 - MSK 2014 Oct 26 2:00s 3:00 - MSK I understand correctly that you changed the time zone based on the news in 2014? Did any person from your organization come to the Crimea and record the change of time in person? Can you let me know your approximate arrival time if this happens? Where can I find similar information? сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 22:28 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> пише:
On 11/28/20 11:55 AM, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
where do you have evidence that Crimea was occupied peacefully?
I didn't say that it was. We already had Zone entries for Crimea due to timekeeping changes that occurred long ago; we did not create these entries due to recent events.
There is no organization; the listing is maintained entirely by volunteers. Frankly, we could be asking these same questions to you. Why shouldn't we accept contemporary news reports? Jacob Pratt On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 15:51 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
I see an entry in your database.
# From Alexander Krivenyshev (2014-03-17): # time change at 2:00 (2am) on March 30, 2014 # https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677464.html # From Paul Eggert (2014-03-30): # Simferopol and Sevastopol reportedly changed their central town clocks # late the previous day, but this appears to have been ceremonial # and the discrepancies are small enough to not worry about. 2:00 EU EE%sT 2014 Mar 30 2:00 4:00 - MSK 2014 Oct 26 2:00s 3:00 - MSK
I understand correctly that you changed the time zone based on the news in 2014? Did any person from your organization come to the Crimea and record the change of time in person? Can you let me know your approximate arrival time if this happens? Where can I find similar information?
сб, 28 лист. 2020 о 22:28 Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> пише:
On 11/28/20 11:55 AM, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
where do you have evidence that Crimea was occupied peacefully?
I didn't say that it was. We already had Zone entries for Crimea due to timekeeping changes that occurred long ago; we did not create these entries due to recent events.
Because news is not a reliable source. There are many cases where journalists have made mistakes or used unreliable sources. You can also find many cases where the news was manipulated. Therefore, we need sources that are official. This is just an assumption that needs to be investigated. Suppose that a certain part of the people did not change the time en masse, when they changed only the central clock. For some reason. What if you became one of the reasons for the mass transfer of the clock in the conflict area under the influence of fake news? And then we return to the political question. Who has the right to indicate which time zone should be in the conflict area?
Unless you have any evidence that the various news reports from the time are incorrect, they are being relied upon. You're staying a lot of things with no evidence whatsoever. Jacob Pratt On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 16:54 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
Because news is not a reliable source. There are many cases where journalists have made mistakes or used unreliable sources. You can also find many cases where the news was manipulated. Therefore, we need sources that are official.
This is just an assumption that needs to be investigated. Suppose that a certain part of the people did not change the time en masse, when they changed only the central clock. For some reason. What if you became one of the reasons for the mass transfer of the clock in the conflict area under the influence of fake news?
And then we return to the political question. Who has the right to indicate which time zone should be in the conflict area?
It seems I understood everything I wanted. Thank you for your time. Bye. нд, 29 лист. 2020 о 00:07 Jacob Pratt <jacob@jhpratt.dev> пише:
Unless you have any evidence that the various news reports from the time are incorrect, they are being relied upon. You're staying a lot of things with no evidence whatsoever.
Jacob Pratt
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020, 16:54 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
Because news is not a reliable source. There are many cases where journalists have made mistakes or used unreliable sources. You can also find many cases where the news was manipulated. Therefore, we need sources that are official.
This is just an assumption that needs to be investigated. Suppose that a certain part of the people did not change the time en masse, when they changed only the central clock. For some reason. What if you became one of the reasons for the mass transfer of the clock in the conflict area under the influence of fake news?
And then we return to the political question. Who has the right to indicate which time zone should be in the conflict area?
Time zones in a country are determined by the country itself. This is an international relationship because the time zone is not in your country. Your country recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ If you are a citizen of another country, it is most likely that your country also recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine, or does not interfere. According to the law of Ukraine, the time zone on the territory of Ukraine is +2. In case you want to use a translator, you can find information about it here https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-p#Text. In 2014, there was no change in the time zone on the territory of Ukraine. Please review these records and remove them from the database. Please indicate the time zone +2 for the territory of Ukraine. Часові зони на території країни визначає сама країна. Це міжнародні стосунки, бо часова зона вказується на території не вашої держави. Ваша країна визнає Крим частиною України. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ Якщо ви є громадянином іншої країни, то з великою ймовірністю ваша країна теж визнає Крим частиною України, або не втручається. Згідно закону України часова зона на території України є +2. На випадок, якщо ви захочете скористатися перекладачем, то ви зможете знайти інформацію про це тут https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-п#Text. В 2014 році не здійснювалося зміни часової зони на території України. Прошу переглянути ці записи і прибрати їх з бази. Прошу вказати для території України часову зону +2.
Time zones in a country are determined by the country itself. This is an international relationship because the time zone is not in your country. Your country recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ If you are a citizen of another country, it is most likely that your country also recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine, or does not interfere. According to the law of Ukraine, the time zone on the territory of Ukraine is +2. In case you want to use a translator, you can find information about it here https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-p#Text. In 2014, there was no change in the time zone on the territory of Ukraine. Please review these records and remove them from the database. Please indicate the time zone +2 for the territory of Ukraine. Часові зони на території країни визначає сама країна. Це міжнародні стосунки, бо часова зона вказується на території не вашої держави. Ваша країна визнає Крим частиною України. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ Якщо ви є громадянином іншої країни, то з великою ймовірністю ваша країна теж визнає Крим частиною України, або не втручається. Згідно закону України часова зона на території України є +2. На випадок, якщо ви захочете скористатися перекладачем, то ви зможете знайти інформацію про це тут https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-п#Text. В 2014 році не здійснювалося зміни часової зони на території України. Прошу переглянути ці записи і прибрати їх з бази. Прошу вказати для території України часову зону +2.
How many times must people respond that the tz database does not rely solely on countries? Western China is listed as +6. According to Beijing, they should follow +8. There's not even a territorial dispute there! Crimea is de facto controlled by Russia — you can't possibly dispute this. The people that live in Crimea observe Moscow time, which is why they are listed as such in the tz database. Frankly, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. A number of people have explained the list's policy, and all you've done is continue to restate the same facts that have no relevance whatsoever to the listing. That's not even to mention you're accusations, without evidence, that the media was flat out lying about the shift in 2014. Unless you can provide definitive evidence that the people in the ground in Crimea observe Ukraine time, I suggest you stop wasting everyone's time. I hate to be rude, but I'm not sure what else will come across as intended given your persistence. Jacob Pratt On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 17:01 Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
Time zones in a country are determined by the country itself. This is an international relationship because the time zone is not in your country. Your country recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ If you are a citizen of another country, it is most likely that your country also recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine, or does not interfere. According to the law of Ukraine, the time zone on the territory of Ukraine is +2. In case you want to use a translator, you can find information about it here https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-p#Text. In 2014, there was no change in the time zone on the territory of Ukraine. Please review these records and remove them from the database. Please indicate the time zone +2 for the territory of Ukraine.
Часові зони на території країни визначає сама країна. Це міжнародні стосунки, бо часова зона вказується на території не вашої держави. Ваша країна визнає Крим частиною України. https://ua.usembassy.gov/crimea-is-ukraine/ Якщо ви є громадянином іншої країни, то з великою ймовірністю ваша країна теж визнає Крим частиною України, або не втручається. Згідно закону України часова зона на території України є +2. На випадок, якщо ви захочете скористатися перекладачем, то ви зможете знайти інформацію про це тут https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/509-96-п#Text. В 2014 році не здійснювалося зміни часової зони на території України. Прошу переглянути ці записи і прибрати їх з бази. Прошу вказати для території України часову зону +2.
If you do not know the laws, then this does not absolve you from responsibility. Theoretically, such a statement exists in any country. I think this was my last letter on this topic.
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
If you do not know the laws, then this does not absolve you from responsibility.
This is not a matter of law, it is a question of what the person on the street uses for timebase.
Theoretically, such a statement exists in any country. I think this was my last letter on this topic.
You said that before, yet you are still replying, wiwth the same repetitive drivel. +--------------------+--------------------------+-----------------------+ | Paul Goyette | PGP Key fingerprint: | E-mail addresses: | | (Retired) | FA29 0E3B 35AF E8AE 6651 | paul@whooppee.com | | Software Developer | 0786 F758 55DE 53BA 7731 | pgoyette@netbsd.org | +--------------------+--------------------------+-----------------------+
This thread could be an inspiration for the plot of a dystopian movie where the freedom fighters set their clocks back an hour to express both support for the resistance and civil disobedience. When the occupation finds out about it, they imprison all the people who's watches don't display the official time. Then the tzdb heroes change the official time to agree with the rebels, and the occupation retreats defeated. christos
On Nov 29, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Paul Goyette <paul@whooppee.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
If you do not know the laws, then this does not absolve you from responsibility.
This is not a matter of law, it is a question of what the person on the street uses for timebase.
Theoretically, such a statement exists in any country. I think this was my last letter on this topic.
You said that before, yet you are still replying, wiwth the same repetitive drivel.
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On Nov 29, 2020, at 17:29, Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> wrote:
If you do not know the laws, then this does not absolve you from responsibility.
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If I understand correctly, any country can regard non-compliance with the laws of the country on the change of time as a call to change the territorial integrity. Not directly, but contrary to the policy of your country, you claim that the borders of another country are changing. And this is illegal and there may be responsibility for it. I don't think anyone will hold you accountable. But if there is a very important reason, it is likely.
On 2020-11-29 16:07, Andriy Ivanchenko wrote:
If I understand correctly, any country can regard non-compliance with the laws of the country on the change of time as a call to change the territorial integrity. Not directly, but contrary to the policy of your country, you claim that the borders of another country are changing. And this is illegal and there may be responsibility for it. I don't think anyone will hold you accountable. But if there is a very important reason, it is likely.
Laws are authoritative only when governments control territory and people under the authority of those governments occupy those territories. There are a lot of areas under dispute with a lot of countries around the world. I believe there may currently be issues between Canada and Russia, Denmark, and America about certain areas, so which law applies depends on who occupies or uses those areas economically. Outside of their controlled and occupied territories, those laws do not apply. But all any contributors on this list care about is what time is meant when someone in an area says something will happen at 18.00? That is regardless of the official policy of the contributors governments towards other governments with which they may have disputes, and with which any transaction and certain interactions may be illegal. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. [Data in binary units and prefixes, physical quantities in SI.]
Border and territorial delimitation are not questioned in tz database. Like we have certain Autslian town that's on its own zone because those residents there made thir rule. That isn't official timezone of any Australian states but it still didn't prevent the inclusion of that since it's used by people living there. 在 2020年11月30日週一 07:08，Andriy Ivanchenko <ivanchenko.andriy@gmail.com> 寫道：
If I understand correctly, any country can regard non-compliance with the laws of the country on the change of time as a call to change the territorial integrity. Not directly, but contrary to the policy of your country, you claim that the borders of another country are changing. And this is illegal and there may be responsibility for it. I don't think anyone will hold you accountable. But if there is a very important reason, it is likely.
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