Ontario 1949-1950 DST->STD in Sep not Nov
I noticed changes in the DST->STD transition dates to the follwing week mentioned in an Alexandria, Ontario weekly newspaper article linked from a page on an unrelated issue, and checking that against zdump found that 1949 & 1950 appear to have transitioned in November, rather than September as in other years from 1946-1956, which from comments in northamerica, appear to derive from Shanks & Pottenger. So I also downloaded the same paper's issue from the same week of September in the other questionable year, and found another article announcing the change that weekend. As well as time being the lede in top of front page articles about municipal business, there are also municipal notices of time changes in later pages, as well as Canadian National railway ads announcing updated time tables being available from that weekend, and an article listing updated CNR train times from Montreal, and a mention of a follow up when Montreal time changes the weekend following Ontario cities. The attached files show relevant edited pdftotext extracts from the PDFs. Note that the municipality changed its time a day leter than elsewhere in Ontario, midnight Sunday/Monday rather than Saturday/Sunday, so that people will not miss Sunday church services, but Monday work does not matter! [Canada traditionally calls the prairie provinces the "Bible Belt" and there are visible signs of that, including dry municipalities where alcohol was not available, but that did not stop many bars and shops in nearby towns opening Sundays, if there was enough business to be worth it, whereas many eastern provinces had legal restrictions on stores and bars opening on Sundays until recently.]
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 at 20:44, Paul Eggert via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
This new info doesn't affect our understanding of Toronto, right?
Paul, Individual cities, towns, townships, and villages in Ontario used to set their own daylight saving rules. That should not be a surprise to anybody on this mailing list! Toronto observed daylight saving until late November in both 1949 and 1950. Some of Ontario's other municipalities stayed in sync with Toronto, but clearly as indicated by Brian's email, some municipalities did not. The only thing that needs changing in the TZ DB for America/Toronto is the transition times. The changes in 1947, 1948, and 1949 took place at 2:00 a.m. local time instead of midnight. Below is a set of articles and proclamations published in the Toronto Daily Star. OCR was somewhat ineffective, so please forgive me if I accidentally introduced any typing or copy/paste errors. The proclamations are relevant specifically to the City of Toronto and do not automatically extend to other municipalities. Also note that the city boundaries were much smaller than they are today, but for the purposes of the TZ DB we don't need to know or care about that. -chris ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, April 2, 1947 - Page 39
PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 27 TO SEPTEMBER 28, 1947 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 17, 1947, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 27, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 28. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 27 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 2nd day of April, 1947. ROBERT H. SAUNDERS, C.B.E., K.C., Mayor. — GOD SAVE THE KING — ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, April 7, 1948 - Page 13
PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 25 TO SEPTEMBER 26, 1948 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on January 26, 1948, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 25, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 26. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 25 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 7th day of April, 1948. H. E. McCALLUM, Mayor. — GOD SAVE THE KING — ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Saturday, April 2, 1949 - Page 1
TORONTO FAST TIME TO START APRIL 24 Toronto's daylight saving time this year will begin Sunday, April 24, and will continue until Nov. 27 — two months longer than last year. The city properties department said the extension of time over last year's dates of end of April to the end of September, is being instituted to effect a hydro saving next fall. Daylight saving comes into effect in Britain tomorrow morning when clocks will be put forward one hour to British Summer Time. B.S.T. is six hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time. ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Thursday, April 7, 1949 - Page 24
PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 24 TO NOVEMBER 27, 1949 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 22, 1949, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 24, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, November 27. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 24 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instruction of the City Council this 7th day of April, 1949. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. — GOD SAVE THE KING — ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, November 25, 1949 - Page 52
PROCLAMATION CHANGE TO STANDARD TIME AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. Sunday, November 27, 1949 Whereas, by direction of the City Council, a proclamation was issued requesting the citizens to observe a period of daylight saving from the 24th day of April until the 27th day of November, 1949. These are, therefore, to request all citizens to set back their clocks and watches one hour AT 2.00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, THE 27th INSTANT All persons interested are respectfully requested to take notice of this proclamation and govern themselves accordingly. November 24, 1949. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR GOD SAVE THE KING ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, April 21, 1950 - Page 14
PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 30 TO SEPTEMBER 24, 1950 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 6, 1950, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 30, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 24. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 30 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instruction of the City Council this 14th day of April, 1950. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. — GOD SAVE THE KING — ============================================================================== partial extract From the Toronto Daily Star - Tuesday, September 19, 1950 - Page 46 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CITY EXTENDS DAYLIGHT TIME MUST FOLLOW SUIT--SUBURBS Daylight saving time will continue in Toronto until Nov. 26, city council decided last night. The extension of daylight time was at the suggestion of Robert Saunders, Ontario Hydro chairman, who said it would stagger peak loads which are presently at an all-time high. Four aldermen voted against continued daylight time. These were Ald. Nash, Cowling, Sparling and Nelson. Presenting the case to council Mayor McCallum admitted railway companies, radio stations and workingmen did not favor the extension as it would cause them considerable inconvenience and confusion. "However the confusion and inconvenience will be 10 times greater if we don’t have it." "This is not something we have dreamed up," he declared. "The provincial commission has asked us to do it. It is a definite request from Mr Saunders. He is asking only Toronto and Hamilton to do it. If we have to pull the plug it will mean a great deal more hardship". *Changes Peak Hours*. The prolongation of daylight time will mean the peak hours of demand will be moved back earlier in the day, said Ald Nash. "I say daylight time should end on the date set — Sept 24. Anyone with children will appreciate the difficulty in getting the children to school if daylight time is extended." "There has been a great to-do about hydro shortages," remarked Ald. Cowling. "During the past several months we have heard of the great new hydro establishments. I remember Mr Saunders saying there would be no more shortages. In face of that we now have a message that the situation is desperate. How long is this going to go on?" "The conservation of power is nothing more than a delusion and those who say it is a saving are trying to hoodwink the public" Ald. Sparling declared. "The hydro have interruptible accounts through which they can reduce the number of kilowatt hours" "I think Mr. Saunders has been too enthusiastic and optimistic," said Ald Belyea. "He has confused the people." "He couldn’t know last year what Joe Stalin was going to do this year," replied the mayor. "Then there is the possibility of further cuts?” persisted Ald Belyea. "Yes" replied the mayor "if Joe goes further". Mayors and reeves of suburban municipalities generally agreed today there is no other course but to fall in line with last night's decision to extend daylight saving time to Nov. 26. Port Credit and Long Branch followed suit last night. ... ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, September 20, 1950 - Page 3
PROCLAMATION EXTENSION of DAYLIGHT SAVING to NOVEMBER 26,1950 Whereas the City Council, being desirous of doing everything possible to assist in the conservation of electrical power, authorized me to issue a proclamation extending the period for the observance of Daylight Saving until 2:00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 1950 These are, therefore, to request, respectfully, all classes of citizens to co-operate and govern themselves accordingly in this proposal. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 20th day of September, 1950 H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. GOD SAVE THE KING ==============================================================================
From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, November 24, 1950 - Page 21
PROCLAMATION CHANGE TO STANDARD TIME AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. Sunday, November 26, 1950 Whereas, by direction of the City Council, a proclamation was issued requesting the citizens to observe a period of daylight saving from the 30th day of April until the 26th day of November, 1950. These are, therefore, to request all citizens to set back their clocks and watches one hour AT 2.00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, THE 26th INSTANT All persons interested are respectfully requested to take notice of this proclamation and govern themselves accordingly. November 22, 1950 H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR GOD SAVE THE KING
Hi, When I saw cities in the articles I thought that implied Toronto, I was not aware that post-war Ontario cities made their own rules, but it appears that the lowlands between the Ottawa and St Lawrence valleys in Ontario, perhaps as far west as Kingston, may have followed rules with earlier end dates until later in the century when rules got synced. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada La perfection est atteinte Perfection is achieved non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter not when there is no more to add mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer but when there is no more to cut -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry On 2024-01-09 01:27, Chris Walton wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 at 20:44, Paul Eggert via tz <tz@iana.org <mailto:tz@iana.org>> wrote:
This new info doesn't affect our understanding of Toronto, right?
Paul, Individual cities, towns, townships, and villages in Ontario used to set their own daylight saving rules. That should not be a surprise to anybody on this mailing list! Toronto observed daylight saving until late November in both 1949 and 1950. Some of Ontario's other municipalities stayed in sync with Toronto, but clearly as indicated by Brian's email, some municipalities did not.
The only thing that needs changing in the TZ DB for America/Toronto is the transition times. The changes in 1947, 1948, and 1949 took place at 2:00 a.m. local time instead of midnight. Below is a set of articles and proclamations published in the Toronto Daily Star. OCR was somewhat ineffective, so please forgive me if I accidentally introduced any typing or copy/paste errors. The proclamations are relevant specifically to the City of Toronto and do not automatically extend to other municipalities. Also note that the city boundaries were much smaller than they are today, but for the purposes of the TZ DB we don't need to know or care about that. -chris
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, April 2, 1947 - Page 39 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 27 TO SEPTEMBER 28, 1947 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 17, 1947, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 27, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 28. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 27 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 2nd day of April, 1947. ROBERT H. SAUNDERS, C.B.E., K.C., Mayor. — GOD SAVE THE KING —
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, April 7, 1948 - Page 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 25 TO SEPTEMBER 26, 1948 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on January 26, 1948, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 25, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 26. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 25 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 7th day of April, 1948. H. E. McCALLUM, Mayor. — GOD SAVE THE KING —
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Saturday, April 2, 1949 - Page 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TORONTO FAST TIME TO START APRIL 24 Toronto's daylight saving time this year will begin Sunday, April 24, and will continue until Nov. 27 — two months longer than last year. The city properties department said the extension of time over last year's dates of end of April to the end of September, is being instituted to effect a hydro saving next fall. Daylight saving comes into effect in Britain tomorrow morning when clocks will be put forward one hour to British Summer Time. B.S.T. is six hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time.
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Thursday, April 7, 1949 - Page 24 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 24 TO NOVEMBER 27, 1949 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 22, 1949, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 24, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, November 27. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 24 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instruction of the City Council this 7th day of April, 1949. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. — GOD SAVE THE KING —
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, November 25, 1949 - Page 52 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION CHANGE TO STANDARD TIME AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. Sunday, November 27, 1949 Whereas, by direction of the City Council, a proclamation was issued requesting the citizens to observe a period of daylight saving from the 24th day of April until the 27th day of November, 1949. These are, therefore, to request all citizens to set back their clocks and watches one hour AT 2.00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, THE 27th INSTANT All persons interested are respectfully requested to take notice of this proclamation and govern themselves accordingly. November 24, 1949. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR GOD SAVE THE KING
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, April 21, 1950 - Page 14 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION DAYLIGHT SAVING (TORONTO) APRIL 30 TO SEPTEMBER 24, 1950 Whereas the City Council by resolution adopted on February 6, 1950, has authorized me to issue a proclamation requesting the citizens to observe a period of Daylight Saving for the current year, commencing at 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, April 30, and continuing until 2 o'clock a.m. on Sunday, September 24. To carry out this request of the City Council, it will be necessary that all CLOCKS AND WATCHES BE ADVANCED ONE HOUR AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, APRIL 30 The City Council most respectfully asks the hearty co-operation of all classes of citizens in making a success of this movement for the public benefit. Proclaimed pursuant to the instruction of the City Council this 14th day of April, 1950. H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. — GOD SAVE THE KING —
============================================================================== partial extract From the Toronto Daily Star - Tuesday, September 19, 1950 - Page 46 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CITY EXTENDS DAYLIGHT TIME MUST FOLLOW SUIT--SUBURBS Daylight saving time will continue in Toronto until Nov. 26, city council decided last night. The extension of daylight time was at the suggestion of Robert Saunders, Ontario Hydro chairman, who said it would stagger peak loads which are presently at an all-time high. Four aldermen voted against continued daylight time. These were Ald. Nash, Cowling, Sparling and Nelson. Presenting the case to council Mayor McCallum admitted railway companies, radio stations and workingmen did not favor the extension as it would cause them considerable inconvenience and confusion. "However the confusion and inconvenience will be 10 times greater if we don’t have it." "This is not something we have dreamed up," he declared. "The provincial commission has asked us to do it. It is a definite request from Mr Saunders. He is asking only Toronto and Hamilton to do it. If we have to pull the plug it will mean a great deal more hardship". *Changes Peak Hours*. The prolongation of daylight time will mean the peak hours of demand will be moved back earlier in the day, said Ald Nash. "I say daylight time should end on the date set — Sept 24. Anyone with children will appreciate the difficulty in getting the children to school if daylight time is extended." "There has been a great to-do about hydro shortages," remarked Ald. Cowling. "During the past several months we have heard of the great new hydro establishments. I remember Mr Saunders saying there would be no more shortages. In face of that we now have a message that the situation is desperate. How long is this going to go on?" "The conservation of power is nothing more than a delusion and those who say it is a saving are trying to hoodwink the public" Ald. Sparling declared. "The hydro have interruptible accounts through which they can reduce the number of kilowatt hours" "I think Mr. Saunders has been too enthusiastic and optimistic," said Ald Belyea. "He has confused the people." "He couldn’t know last year what Joe Stalin was going to do this year," replied the mayor. "Then there is the possibility of further cuts?” persisted Ald Belyea. "Yes" replied the mayor "if Joe goes further". Mayors and reeves of suburban municipalities generally agreed today there is no other course but to fall in line with last night's decision to extend daylight saving time to Nov. 26. Port Credit and Long Branch followed suit last night. ...
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Wednesday, September 20, 1950 - Page 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION EXTENSION of DAYLIGHT SAVING to NOVEMBER 26,1950 Whereas the City Council, being desirous of doing everything possible to assist in the conservation of electrical power, authorized me to issue a proclamation extending the period for the observance of Daylight Saving until 2:00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 1950 These are, therefore, to request, respectfully, all classes of citizens to co-operate and govern themselves accordingly in this proposal. Proclaimed pursuant to the instructions of the City Council this 20th day of September, 1950 H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR. GOD SAVE THE KING
============================================================================== From the Toronto Daily Star - Friday, November 24, 1950 - Page 21 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PROCLAMATION CHANGE TO STANDARD TIME AT 2 O'CLOCK A.M. Sunday, November 26, 1950 Whereas, by direction of the City Council, a proclamation was issued requesting the citizens to observe a period of daylight saving from the 30th day of April until the 26th day of November, 1950. These are, therefore, to request all citizens to set back their clocks and watches one hour AT 2.00 O'CLOCK A.M. ON SUNDAY, THE 26th INSTANT All persons interested are respectfully requested to take notice of this proclamation and govern themselves accordingly. November 22, 1950 H. E. McCALLUM, MAYOR GOD SAVE THE KING
On 2024-01-09 00:27, Chris Walton wrote:
The only thing that needs changing in the TZ DB for America/Toronto is the transition times. The changes in 1947, 1948, and 1949 took place at 2:00 a.m. local time instead of midnight.
Thanks for doing that research. I installed the attached to fix the TZDB data for Toronto in 1947/1949.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 at 01:59, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 2024-01-09 00:27, Chris Walton wrote:
The only thing that needs changing in the TZ DB for America/Toronto is the transition times. The changes in 1947, 1948, and 1949 took place at 2:00 a.m. local time instead of midnight.
Thanks for doing that research. I installed the attached to fix the TZDB data for Toronto in 1947/1949.
The fix looks good to me. Thank you. -chris
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