In that case I presume the 'europe' file should be corrected from this: # Svalbard & Jan Mayen Link Europe/Oslo Arctic/Longyearbyen # From Whitman: # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Atlantic/Jan_Mayen -1:00 - EGT ... to something like this: # Svalbard & Jan Mayen Link Europe/Oslo Arctic/Longyearbyen Link Europe/Oslo Atlantic/Jan_Mayen The question is if Whitman's observation for Jan Mayen Island was correct earlier, in that case we will have to reuse parts of the first definition. Although EGT is a bit misleading perhaps because East Greenland (Scoresbysund) is using EU rules with DST, which might not coincide with what Jan Mayen had. I suggest that this needs to be investigated a bit further (hint, hint, I will probably not do it :) Regards, Jesper Nørgaard Welen Email: jnorgard@Prodigy.Net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT Int. c/o Jesper Nørgaard Km. 45, Carretera México-Veracruz El Batán Texcoco, Edo. de México CP 56130 MEXICO Tel.: +52 (5) 58-04-20-04 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 58-04-75-58 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://cimmyt.cgiar.org Check out my free program World Time Explorer: http://www20.Brinkster.com/timezone50/index.htm http://members.theglobe.com/timezone50/index.htm ---------- From: Olson, Arthur David (NCI)[SMTP:olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov] Sent: Lunes 30 de Abril de 2001 6:55 To: Tz (E-mail) Subject: FW: Time on Jan mayen M. H. P. van Genderen is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Genderen, M.H.P. van [mailto:M.H.P.v.Genderen@tue.nl] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:54 AM To: 'tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov' Subject: Time on Jan mayen Hi, I asked the crew of the meteorological station on Jan Mayen Island (janmayen@ftd.mil.no) what time they used, and this is their answer:
We are using the same time as i Norway, and are following the summer and winter time as i Norway.
Regards
Åge-leif Godø
So it seems that the time zone should be changed from East Greenland Time to Oslo time for Jan Mayen. Yours, Marcel van Genderen _______________________________________ Dr. Marcel van Genderen Assistant Professor Lab Macromolecular and Organic Chemistry Room STO 4.45 Eindhoven University of Technology PO Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven The Netherlands Tel: +31-40-2473139. Fax: +31-40-2451036 E-mail: M.H.P.v.Genderen@tue.nl Homepage: www.chem.tue.nl/toc
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jesper Nørgaard wrote:
In that case I presume the 'europe' file should be corrected from this:
# Svalbard & Jan Mayen Link Europe/Oslo Arctic/Longyearbyen # From Whitman: # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Atlantic/Jan_Mayen -1:00 - EGT
... to something like this:
# Svalbard & Jan Mayen Link Europe/Oslo Arctic/Longyearbyen Link Europe/Oslo Atlantic/Jan_Mayen
The question is if Whitman's observation for Jan Mayen Island was correct earlier, in that case we will have to reuse parts of the first definition. Although EGT is a bit misleading perhaps because East Greenland (Scoresbysund) is using EU rules with DST, which might not coincide with what Jan Mayen had. I suggest that this needs to be investigated a bit further (hint, hint, I will probably not do it :)
I've tried to research this a bit further, using a public available law resource for Norway, http://www.lovdata.no (links are in Norwegian) Although I could not find it explicitly, it seems that Jan Mayen and Svalbard have been using the same time as Norway at least since the time they were declared as parts of Norway: Svalbard was declared as a part of Norway by law of 1925-07-17 no 11, § 4 and Jan Mayen by law of 1930-02-27 no 2, § 2. (From http://www.lovdata.no/all/nl-19250717-011.html and http://www.lovdata.no/all/nl-19300227-002.html ) The law/regulation for normal/standard time in Norway is from 1894-06-29 no 1 (came into operation on 1895-01-01) and Svalbard/Jan Mayen seem to be a part of this law since 1925/1930. (From http://www.lovdata.no/all/nl-18940629-001.html ) I have not been able to find if Jan Mayen used a different time zone (e.g. -0100) before 1930. Jan Mayen has only been "inhabitated" since 1921 by Norwegian meteorologists and maybe used the same time as Norway ever since 1921... Svalbard (Arctic/Longyearbyen) has been inhabited since before 1895, and therefore probably changed the local time somewhere between 1895 and 1925 (inclusive). Best regards, Steffen -- Steffen Thorsen <steffen@thorsen.priv.no> <steffent@pvv.ntnu.no> http://www.thorsen.priv.no
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:31:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Steffen Thorsen <straen@thorsen.priv.no>
I have not been able to find if Jan Mayen used a different time zone (e.g. -0100) before 1930. Jan Mayen has only been "inhabitated" since 1921 by Norwegian meteorologists and maybe used the same time as Norway ever since 1921...
Thanks for your research; it prompted me to do a bit more on my own. It appears that Jan Mayen was never occupied by Germany during World War II, so it must have diverged from Oslo time during the war, as Olso was keeping Berlin time. <http://home.no.net/janmayen/history.htm> says that the meteorologists burned down their station in 1940 and left the island, but returned in 1941 with a small Norwegian garrison and continued operations despite frequent air ttacks from Germans. In 1943 the Americans established a radiolocating station on the island, called "Atlantic City". Possibly the UTC offset changed during the war, but I think it highly unlikely that Jan Mayen used German daylight-saving rules. Svalbard is more complicated, as it was raided in August 1941 by an Allied party that evacuated the civilian population to England (says <http://www.bartleby.com/65/sv/Svalbard.html>). The Svalbard FAQ <http://www.svalbard.com/SvalbardFAQ.html> says that the Germans were expelled on 1942-05-14. However, small parties of Germans did return, and according to the book Wilhelm Dege's book "War North of 80" (1954) <http://www.utpress.utoronto.ca/publishing/rights/dege_warnorthof80.htm> the German armed forces at the Svalbard weather station code-named Haudegen did not surrender to the Allies until September 1945! All these events predate our cutoff date of 1970, so, unless we can come up with more definitive info about the timekeeping during the chaotic war years I'm inclined to put "Link Europe/Oslo Atlantic/Jan_Mayen" into the tz database.
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