I got the following bounce message from elsie.nci.nih.gov; is there some problem with the tz mailing list? ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon@elsie.nci.nih.gov> Received: from red.twinsun.com (red-office.twinsun.com [192.54.239.70]) by tattoo (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id LAA06184 for <eggert@tattoo>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:32:55 -0800 Received: from alcor.twinsun.com (alcor.twinsun.com [198.147.65.9]) by red.twinsun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id LAA14437 for <eggert@twinsun.com>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:32:55 -0800 Received: from elsie.nci.nih.gov (elsie.nci.nih.gov [165.112.73.1]) by alcor.twinsun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29057 for <eggert@twinsun.com>; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by elsie.nci.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB06282; Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:33:19 EST Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:33:19 EST From: Mailer-Daemon@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable Message-Id: <9712181933.AB06282@elsie.nci.nih.gov> To: <eggert@twinsun.com> Content-Length: 3491 Status: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <<< HELO alcor.twinsun.com <<< MAIL From:<eggert@twinsun.com> <<< RCPT To:<tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov> <<< DATA <<< QUIT Cannot exec '/usr/local/etc/smrsh' errno=2 554 "|exec /mnt/ado/slist/.bin/flist tz"... Service unavailable 554 "|exec /mnt/ado/slist/.bin/flist tz"... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: <eggert@twinsun.com> Received: from alcor.twinsun.com by elsie.nci.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06280; Thu, 18 Dec 97 14:33:19 EST Received: from red.twinsun.com ([192.54.239.70]) by alcor.twinsun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29052; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from shade.twinsun.com (shade.twinsun.com [192.54.239.27]) by red.twinsun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) with SMTP id LAA14404; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:32:06 -0800 Received: from (eggert@localhost) by shade.twinsun.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01366; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:31:47 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:31:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199712181931.LAA01366@shade.twinsun.com> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> To: bsawyer@mtnia.com Cc: tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov In-Reply-To: <9712181343.AA04768@elsie.nci.nih.gov> (OLSONA@dc37a.nci.nih.gov) Subject: Re: FW: "info about the world time zones" References: <9712181343.AA04768@elsie.nci.nih.gov> From: Brian Sawyer[SMTP:bsawyer@mtnia.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 1997 1:42 AM I'm wondering if you have any info about the world time zones, not by maps but numbers. example: Marshalltown, Iowa to Los Angelos -2 hours to New York +1 hour and so on. It's not as simple as that, since differences between cities vary with time. For example, during the summer Phoenix is two hours behind Marshalltown, but during the winter, it's only one hour behind. If you just want a simple listing with major cities, you can use the tz database at <ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/>, using America/Chicago to represent Marshalltown (this should be valid for dates at least back to 1970). For example, here's a shell transcript to illustrate the current times in Marshalltown and Los Angeles. $ TZ=America/Chicago date # current time in Marshalltown: Thu Dec 18 13:26:06 CST 1997 $ TZ=America/Los_Angeles date # current time in Los Angeles: Thu Dec 18 11:26:06 PST 1997 If you're building a web site, this sort of thing can be easily done in a CGI script; see <http://www.bsdi.com/date> for an example of this. If you want more detailed listings, by far the best tabular source of historical time zone data that I know of are the following books, which contain location names and time zone histories for thousands of locations around the globe. They will tell you more about Marshalltown's time zone history than you probably know yourself. Thomas G. Shanks, The American Atlas (5th edition), San Diego: ACS Publications, Inc. (1991). Thomas G. Shanks, The International Atlas (4th edition), San Diego: ACS Publications, Inc. (1995). [This covers places outside the United States.] A good source for detailed recent time zone data is the International Air Transport Association's Standard Schedules Information Manual (IATA SSIM), published semiannually. However, this is considerably more expensive than Shanks, and it covers only airports, whereas Shanks covers more burgs and hamlets than even my Rand McNally atlas does, and does an excellent job for most places in the US (though even he throws up his hands at the time zone history of Indiana). ------- End of forwarded message -------