I'm forwarding this message from Glafkos Charalambous who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list please direct replies appropriately. --ado From: Glafkos Charalambous [mailto:glafkos@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:11 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Cyprus Timezone Issue Hello, I am sending this email based on the posts I did on 2004 about Cyprus Island. Cyprus is a Europe island near greece and is consider within Europe. It is wrong displayed under Asia Please correct and make Europe Cyprus, Nicosia (City) Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=140043 Regards Charalambous Glafkos
If you look on a map you'll see that the closest country is Turkey, followed by Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Greece. As for "European": the English language Wikipedia describes it as "Eurasian" which begs the question. The Dutch language Wikipedia says that "Geographically it is part of Asia but for political and cultural reasons it is often considered part of Europe". It might be best to add a link under Europe so Cyprus is shown there too (i.e., both under Asia and under Europe). paul
-----Original Message----- From: Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] [mailto:olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:47 PM To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: glafkos@gmail.com Subject: FW: Cyprus Timezone Issue
I'm forwarding this message from Glafkos Charalambous who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list please direct replies appropriately.
--ado
From: Glafkos Charalambous [mailto:glafkos@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:11 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Cyprus Timezone Issue
Hello,
I am sending this email based on the posts I did on 2004 about Cyprus Island.
Cyprus is a Europe island near greece and is consider within Europe.
It is wrong displayed under Asia
Please correct and make Europe Cyprus, Nicosia (City)
Reference:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=140043
Regards Charalambous Glafkos
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia. Perhaps it would be helpful to create a FAQ to deal with questions that come up repeatedly, such as this one. Yours, Gwillim Law ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E]" <olsona@dc37a.nci.nih.gov> To: <tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Cc: <glafkos@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: FW: Cyprus Timezone Issue
I'm forwarding this message from Glafkos Charalambous who is not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list please direct replies appropriately.
--ado
From: Glafkos Charalambous [mailto:glafkos@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:11 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Cyprus Timezone Issue
Hello,
I am sending this email based on the posts I did on 2004 about Cyprus Island.
Cyprus is a Europe island near greece and is consider within Europe.
It is wrong displayed under Asia
Please correct and make Europe Cyprus, Nicosia (City)
Reference:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=140043
Regards Charalambous Glafkos
On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
Cyprus is a member of the European Union (since 2004), and its official currency is the Euro, so I think it is reasonable for people to expect to find Cyprus under Europe. Regards Martin Jerabek
Hello, Cyprus is in European Union and the timezone should be under Europe. If that's not the case why Cyprus is not in Asia Union? Do we have magic lines in the map that show us to be Asia people ? :) Regards, Glafkos Charalambous On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Martin Jerabek < martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com> wrote:
On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
Cyprus is a member of the European Union (since 2004), and its official currency is the Euro, so I think it is reasonable for people to expect to find Cyprus under Europe.
Regards Martin Jerabek
A note: Please make google search for Cyprus time etc.. They all have Cyprus listed under European Union Thanks Glafkos On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Glafkos Charalambous <glafkos@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello,
Cyprus is in European Union and the timezone should be under Europe. If that's not the case why Cyprus is not in Asia Union? Do we have magic lines in the map that show us to be Asia people ? :)
Regards, Glafkos Charalambous
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Martin Jerabek < martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com> wrote:
On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
Cyprus is a member of the European Union (since 2004), and its official currency is the Euro, so I think it is reasonable for people to expect to find Cyprus under Europe.
Regards Martin Jerabek
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:28:49 +0200 From: Martin Jerabek <martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com> Message-ID: <49F550A1.1080401@isis-papyrus.com> | Cyprus is a member of the European Union ... That's irrelevant, we use geographic location, not political affiliation. Political links change way too rapidly, geography much more slowly (slowly enough that we can pretty much assume it is a constant), which is much more rational. Whether Cyprus is geographically Europe or Asia (or even Africa) is beyond my competence to judge (someone needs to look at the continental plate outlines, or something... - which I suspect is what has been done previously) but whatever is the answer to that, that's where we ought to have it. To avoid confusion, we can have, and do have, a link in any other likely location(s). kre
I guess the question is whether the grouping for tz purposes is geographic or political. When Turkey joins the EU, will it move to the Europe tz file? ++PLS -----Original Message----- From: Martin Jerabek [mailto:martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:29 PM To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: glafkos@gmail.com Subject: Re: Cyprus Timezone Issue On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:48:06PM -0700, Paul Schauble wrote:
I guess the question is whether the grouping for tz purposes is geographic or political.
When Turkey joins the EU, will it move to the Europe tz file?
I had the very same idea, but it turns out that Europe/Istanbul is already in the Europe tz file anyway. ;-) Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Conventionally the Bosphorus is the dividing line between Europe and Asia, so Istanbul is in Europe and Ankara is in Asia. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:48:06PM -0700, Paul Schauble wrote:
I guess the question is whether the grouping for tz purposes is geographic or political.
When Turkey joins the EU, will it move to the Europe tz file?
I had the very same idea, but it turns out that Europe/Istanbul is already in the Europe tz file anyway. ;-)
Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The simplest policy would be to follow the UN for locations where there is any doubt, and add aliases as needed for convenience. The UN puts Cyprus and Turkey in Asia: see http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm Mark On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 13:48, Paul Schauble <Paul.Schauble@ticketmaster.com
wrote:
I guess the question is whether the grouping for tz purposes is geographic or political.
When Turkey joins the EU, will it move to the Europe tz file?
++PLS
-----Original Message----- From: Martin Jerabek [mailto:martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:29 PM To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: glafkos@gmail.com Subject: Re: Cyprus Timezone Issue
On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
Cyprus is a member of the European Union (since 2004), and its official currency is the Euro, so I think it is reasonable for people to expect to find Cyprus under Europe.
Regards Martin Jerabek
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Bringing up Turkey raises another question: is it the country or the city that governs which continent to use? (This since Turkey is primarily, by land area, in Asia, but Istanbul lies within its European portion.) The precedent of Pacific/Honolulu, and perhaps others, suggests that it is the location of the city that matters. J Andrew Lipscomb From: mark.edward.davis@gmail.com [mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis Sent: Monday 27 April 2009 20:12 To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov; glafkos@gmail.com Subject: Re: Cyprus Timezone Issue The simplest policy would be to follow the UN for locations where there is any doubt, and add aliases as needed for convenience. The UN puts Cyprus and Turkey in Asia: see http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49regin.htm Mark On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 13:48, Paul Schauble <Paul.Schauble@ticketmaster.com> wrote: I guess the question is whether the grouping for tz purposes is geographic or political. When Turkey joins the EU, will it move to the Europe tz file? ++PLS -----Original Message----- From: Martin Jerabek [mailto:martin.jerabek@isis-papyrus.com] Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:29 PM To: tz@lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: glafkos@gmail.com Subject: Re: Cyprus Timezone Issue On 27.04.2009 03:04, Gwillim Law wrote:
This issue was discussed on the tz mailing list in September 2000, and again in May 2004. The resolution in 2000 was to add Europe/Nicosia as an alias for Asia/Nicosia. The accompanying comment reads, "for various reasons many users expect to find [Cyprus] under Europe." When the issue was discussed before, most reference sources placed Cyprus in Asia.
Cyprus is a member of the European Union (since 2004), and its official currency is the Euro, so I think it is reasonable for people to expect to find Cyprus under Europe. Regards Martin Jerabek CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by telephone.
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Andy Lipscomb -
Glafkos Charalambous -
Gwillim Law -
Mark Davis -
Martin Jerabek -
Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] -
Paul Koning -
Paul Schauble -
Petr Baudis -
Robert Elz -
Tim Diggins