Re: [tz] [PROPOSED 2/2] Fix comments on Lebanon this week
Hi Paul, I'm reaching out regarding your request for comments<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-March/032833.html> on the proposal to revert back to 2023a instead of updating 2023c to reflect the Lebanon DST change of 30 March. I've been working closely with medical centers in Lebanon to ensure that their healthcare systems are in continuous legal compliance with the government directives. We have been in close communication with Lebanese government authorities who legally consider the spring forward event to be on 30 March (with the jump being from 11:59:59 PM on 29 March to 01:00:00 AM on 30 March). We are strongly urging you to reflect this update in the 2023c file, to avoid the published tzdata file being in direct conflict with the government directive of the spring DST event in Lebanon happening on 30 March. The Prime Minister met with the cabinet yesterday, and together they agreed that Lebanon DST happens on the 30th of March. No government authorities consider the 26 March 2023 event to be the "true" DST time for Lebanon. Thanks, Paige Tummons
Hello Paige Who are the medical centers who implemented winter time aside from AUBMC? On Wed, Mar 29, 2023, 02:32 Paige Tummons via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
I’m reaching out regarding your request for comments <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-March/032833.html> on the proposal to revert back to 2023a instead of updating 2023c to reflect the Lebanon DST change of 30 March. I’ve been working closely with medical centers in Lebanon to ensure that their healthcare systems are in continuous legal compliance with the government directives. We have been in close communication with Lebanese government authorities who legally consider the spring forward event to be on 30 March (with the jump being from 11:59:59 PM on 29 March to 01:00:00 AM on 30 March).
We are strongly urging you to reflect this update in the 2023c file, to avoid the published tzdata file being in direct conflict with the government directive of the spring DST event in Lebanon happening on 30 March. The Prime Minister met with the cabinet yesterday, and together they agreed that Lebanon DST happens on the 30th of March. No government authorities consider the 26 March 2023 event to be the “true” DST time for Lebanon.
Thanks, Paige Tummons
On 2023-03-28 02:18, Paige Tummons via tz wrote:
We are strongly urging you to reflect this update in the 2023c file, to avoid the published tzdata file being in direct conflict with the government directive of the spring DST event in Lebanon happening on 30 March.
Unfortunately I did not see your email until after we released version 2023c of the Time Zone Database (TZDB), by reverting to version 2023a's data. 2023c's idea was to do something simple, partly because any other approach would take time to develop and review and we're short of time given that 2023b is wrong for timestamps starting about 16 hours from now. As I understand it, last weekend the American University of Beirut Medical Center's IT staff updated some computers to use the equivalent of TZDB 2023b (and therefore to not spring forward March 25/26), but on Sunday (due to an announcement by the Minister of Education and Higher Education that schools would spring forward March 25/26) they intended to spend some time this week to go back to 2023a (and therefore to implement the March 25/26 spring forward)[1], even though the prime minister had not yet changed his own mind yet. Now that the prime minister has changed his mind, perhaps AUBMC's IT staff are now supposed to do the equivalent of converting these computers back to 2023b, and then converting them again to 2023a (or upgrading to 2023c) promptly at 24:00 Wednesday local time. If so, I can see why these conversions back and forth and back and forth are not greeted with enthusiasm (among other things it will make it hard to interpret these timestamps later). In contrast, Saint Joseph University of Beirut continued with the old 2023a rules and sprang forward March 25/26[2]. If they stuck with that decision, their job is already done - simply by doing nothing. I got this information from Thomas Claburn's piece "Lebanon's IT folks face double trouble as leaders delayed Daylight Savings Time"[3], which noted similar issues in banking and other application areas. As Debbie Goldsmith noted today[4], after the dust settles we will have more time to revisit this and reflect on how to add historical detail as needed to TZDB. [1]: https://aub.edu.lb/emergency/Documents/daylight-savings.pdf [2]: https://www.facebook.com/usj.edu.lb/posts/pfbid02PdcMNvEuZP1MJ2GqFWS4pdcYvVf... [3]: https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/28/lebanon_dst_delay_chaos/ [4]: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-March/032853.html
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Paul Eggert