I just read in Wikipedia that Glace Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada existed only from 1901 to 1995. The government of Glace Bay was dissolved on 1 Aug 1995 when eight municipalities, including Glace Bay, were consolidated to form Cape Breton (a.k.a. CBRM, short for Cape Breton Regional Municipality), which is currently the second-most populous municipality in Nova Scotia after Halifax. Wikipedia shows Cape Bretons coordinates as 46° 9 north latitude by 60° 10 west longitude. That longitude corresponds to a local mean time of UTC-4:00:40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glace_Bay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Breton_Regional_Municipality Hank Wisniewski of Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
Hank W. wrote:
The government of Glace Bay was dissolved on 1 Aug 1995 when eight municipalities, including Glace Bay, were consolidated to form Cape Breton (a.k.a. CBRM, short for Cape Breton Regional Municipality),
Thanks for the info. However, this all happened before America/Glace_Bay was entered into the tz database in 1996, and even had we known about it we probably wouldn't have been affected by it. CBRM is a legal entity covering some 2500 km². We typically prefer more-specific location names, even if they lack some official or legal status. To send physical mail there, one typically writes "Glace Bay, NS B1A 4X0" not "Cape Breton Regional Municipality, NS B1A 4X0", which indicates that the Glace Bay name is common usage and is a reasonable candidate for tzdata.
Hank W. wrote:
The government of Glace Bay was dissolved on 1 Aug 1995 when eight municipalities, including Glace Bay, were consolidated to form Cape Breton (a.k.a. CBRM, short for Cape Breton Regional Municipality),
Thanks for the info. However, this all happened before America/Glace_Bay was entered into the tz database in 1996, and even had we known about it we probably wouldn't have been affected by it.
Paul E. wrote:
CBRM is a legal entity covering some 2500 km². We typically prefer more- specific location names, even if they lack some official or legal status. To send physical mail there, one typically writes "Glace Bay, NS B1A 4X0" not "Cape Breton Regional Municipality, NS B1A 4X0", which indicates that the Glace Bay name is common usage and is a reasonable candidate for tzdata.
I agree with Paul. The Wikipedia article says that Glace Bay was an incorporated town from 1901 to 1995. Now Glace Bay is a community within a larger municipality. This does not imply that Glace Bay does not exist. Glace Bay is still marked on the maps. The road signs still say "Welcome to Glace Bay". As per Paul's comment above, all postal addresses for Glace Bay include the line: "Glace Bay, NS". The people that live in Glace Bay will tell you that they live in Glace Bay. The same is true for may former villages, towns, and cities in Canada. People that live in communities that have been amalgamated into larger municipalities never stop using the old names. The Canadian geonames database lists Glace Bay as a Community with coordinates 46° 11' 42" N, 59° 57' 21" W. -chris
On 2015-07-18 10:52, Chris Walton wrote:
Hank W. wrote:
The government of Glace Bay was dissolved on 1 Aug 1995 when eight municipalities, including Glace Bay, were consolidated to form Cape Breton (a.k.a. CBRM, short for Cape Breton Regional Municipality),
Thanks for the info. However, this all happened before America/Glace_Bay was entered into the tz database in 1996, and even had we known about it we probably wouldn't have been affected by it.
Paul E. wrote:
CBRM is a legal entity covering some 2500 km². We typically prefer more- specific location names, even if they lack some official or legal status. To send physical mail there, one typically writes "Glace Bay, NS B1A 4X0" not "Cape Breton Regional Municipality, NS B1A 4X0", which indicates that the Glace Bay name is common usage and is a reasonable candidate for tzdata.
I agree with Paul.
The Wikipedia article says that Glace Bay was an incorporated town from 1901 to 1995. Now Glace Bay is a community within a larger municipality. This does not imply that Glace Bay does not exist. Glace Bay is still marked on the maps. The road signs still say "Welcome to Glace Bay". As per Paul's comment above, all postal addresses for Glace Bay include the line: "Glace Bay, NS".
The people that live in Glace Bay will tell you that they live in Glace Bay.
The same is true for may former villages, towns, and cities in Canada. People that live in communities that have been amalgamated into larger municipalities never stop using the old names.
The Canadian geonames database lists Glace Bay as a Community with coordinates 46° 11' 42" N, 59° 57' 21" W.
Nova Scotia province consists of the mainland peninsula (where Halifax sits), Cape Breton Island (where Glace Bay sits on the time meridian, and includes the island's former capital Sydney), and Sable Island (a marathon length sandbar 160km offshore, and considered part of Halifax RM 300km away). From the historical weather station records available at: https://weatherspark.com/history/28351/1971/Sydney-Nova-Scotia-Canada Sydney shares the same time history as Glace Bay, so was likely to be the same across the island, and the zone records could be altered to read more accurately: -CA +4439-06336 America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (most places), PEI +CA +4439-06336 America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (peninsula), PEI -CA +4612-05957 America/Glace_Bay Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia - places that did not observe DST 1966-1971 +CA +4612-05957 America/Glace_Bay Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (Cape Breton) - no DST 1966-1971 Corrections welcome if anyone can dig up any more details for that period. Sydney, as the capital and most populous location, or Cape Breton, would have been better names for the zone had we known this in 1996. The time kept by lighthouse keepers, lifeboatmen, meteorologists, Canadian Coast Guard and Navy, Parks Canada, scientists, and filmmakers, who have populated Sable Island continuously for the last couple of centuries by the handful is left as an exercise for interested local researchers. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis
Thanks for checking that out, as that part of Shanks & Pottenger is confusing. I installed the attached proposed patch in the experimental github repository.
I seldom hear anybody referring to mainland Nova Scotia as a peninsula. Maybe that is just because I don't live in Nova Scotia! Also, I find the term "peninsula" to be confusing when placed beside the name "Halifax". Downtown Halifax sits on the "Halifax Peninsula" which in turn sits on the "Chebucto Peninsula" which in turn forms a part of mainland Nova Scotia. I would prefer to see this: America/Halifax Atlantic Time - PEI & mainland Nova Scotia instead of: America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (peninsula), PEI I would be curious to hear David Patte's opinion! -chris
On 2015-07-20 10:36, Chris Walton wrote:
I seldom hear anybody referring to mainland Nova Scotia as a peninsula. Maybe that is just because I don't live in Nova Scotia!
Also, I find the term "peninsula" to be confusing when placed beside the name "Halifax". Downtown Halifax sits on the "Halifax Peninsula" which in turn sits on the "Chebucto Peninsula" ...I think attached to rather than sits on here... which in turn forms a part of mainland Nova Scotia. ...which is on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Scotia_peninsula and there are also the Avon, Aspotogan, Malagash, First and Second peninsulas around.
To add confusion Mainland Halifax is the official name for the parts of Halifax on the Chebucto pensinsula but not on the Halifax peninsula. Wikipedia also says about that: "Mainland Halifax is further divided into "Mainland North" (Bayer's Lake, Clayton Park, Fairview, and Rockingham) and "Mainland South" (Armdale, Herring Cove, Purcell's Cove, Sambro, and Spryfield). Residents do not use the term "Mainland" or the north and south divisions at all, preferring to refer to their original community names which describe the geography of their area more appropriately to those familiar with the region." It seems that anyone on a peninsula may refer to what it is attached to as the mainland. Although only a tourist and not a local, I think of New Brunswick as being on the mainland, from about Sackville, and Nova Scotia, from about Amherst, as being the peninsula; Fundy and the Strait forming the neck of the isthmus (of Chignecto, it appears to be called).
I would prefer to see this: America/Halifax Atlantic Time - PEI & mainland Nova Scotia instead of: America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (peninsula), PEI
I would be curious to hear David Patte's opinion!
Other opinions from those more familiar would be welcome. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis
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