Re: Alternative place names?

Oscar van Vlijmen <o.van.vlijmen@tip.nl> writes:
I am NOT proposing to change the Theory rules, but I wonder: population count, popularity, media exposure all change, a capital hardly or not.
Actually, capitals change suprisingly often. E.g. Kazakhstan changed its capital in 1997, and then changed the capital's name in 1998. (Good thing they didn't use new time zone rules too, or we'd have had to track that mess.) Even China, the most populous country in the world, changed its capital twice in the last century (in 1928 and again in 1949) and there was a period in which the location of its capital was in serious dispute. Capitals are political creatures, and we are trying to avoid politics here as much as possible, so I don't want to give the "capitalness" of a city much weight.
Chung is a British transliteration (Wade, 1867), indeed: tch'ong is the French EFEO (1902) transliteration, but k'ing is the French transliteration for pinyin qing, whereas ch'ing would be the British transliteration.
The name "Chungking" is not a systematic transliteration; it is merely traditional. It's probably the weakest of the existing Chinese names, i.e. the one where there is the strongest reason to change, as I get the feeling that the Pinyin transliteration "Chongqing" is gaining wide popularity in ordinary English usage. Google reports 38k English-language hits for "Chongqing" and 21k for "Chungking", so if we were choosing now "Chongqing" might well be the winner. But I'm not sure that this is enough to change an established name. Oscar van Vlijmen <o.van.vlijmen@tip.nl> writes: Paul Hill writes:
Someone said there is the rule: every country gets at least one entry. Is this implemented in practice? Every country including all small countries that share zones (like the Caribbean)?
Yes. In hindsight this rule was probably unwise, as countries are also political creatures. Not sure I want to change it now, though.

On 27 Sep 2000 14:59:59 -0700, Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com> wrote:
Capitals are political creatures, and we are trying to avoid politics here as much as possible, so I don't want to give the "capitalness" of a city much weight.
Paul Hill writes:
Someone said there is the rule: every country gets at least one entry. Is this implemented in practice? Every country including all small countries that share zones (like the Caribbean)?
Yes. In hindsight this rule was probably unwise, as countries are also political creatures. Not sure I want to change it now, though.
Well, the very nature of timezones is a political one, so politics cannot be avoided entirely; since the zones are usually defined by national laws (though perhaps deferring some details to smaller political units, such as states/provinces/counties, etc.) I find it reasonable to accept the polical dependencies of the the "at least one entry per country" rule. --Ken Pizzini

<<On 2 Oct 2000 05:45:40 -0000, ken@halcyon.com said:
political units, such as states/provinces/counties, etc.) I find it reasonable to accept the polical dependencies of the the "at least one entry per country" rule.
And furthermore, there are external authorities which make it possible to avoid deciding what constitutes a ``country''; this only breaks down when the international-affairs community willfully chooses to ignore reality. (But even Taiwan has its own ISO 3166 code, despite official claims that .TW == .CN.) -GAWollman

Garrett Wollman said:
And furthermore, there are external authorities which make it possible to avoid deciding what constitutes a ``country''; this only breaks down when the international-affairs community willfully chooses to ignore reality. (But even Taiwan has its own ISO 3166 code, despite official claims that .TW == .CN.)
3166 makes it clear that it does not state what is or isn't a country. [Note, in particular, the codes for French TOMs/DOMs (or whatever they're now called) that are clearly not countries, or those for UK colonies.] -- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: <clive@demon.net> | Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 Internet Expert | Home: <clive@davros.org> | Fax: +44 20 8371 1037 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | DFax: +44 20 8371 4037 Thus plc | | Mobile: +44 7973 377646

With respect to what is a "country", there is a new ISO/IEC 18038 standardization activity focussed on the "Identification and Mapping of Various Categories of Jurisdictional Domains". Attached is an initial working document in support of new ISO/IEC 18038. Comments, critiques, suggestions, contributions, etc. are most welcome. regards - Jake Knoppers
-----Original Message----- From: Clive D.W. Feather [mailto:clive@demon.net] Sent: October 3, 2000 9:34 AM To: Garrett Wollman Cc: ken@halcyon.com; TZ-list Subject: Re: Alternative place names?
Garrett Wollman said:
And furthermore, there are external authorities which make it possible to avoid deciding what constitutes a ``country''; this only breaks down when the international-affairs community willfully chooses to ignore reality. (But even Taiwan has its own ISO 3166 code, despite official claims that .TW == .CN.)
3166 makes it clear that it does not state what is or isn't a country. [Note, in particular, the codes for French TOMs/DOMs (or whatever they're now called) that are clearly not countries, or those for UK colonies.]
-- Clive D.W. Feather | Work: <clive@demon.net> | Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 Internet Expert | Home: <clive@davros.org> | Fax: +44 20 8371 1037 Demon Internet | WWW: http://www.davros.org | DFax: +44 20 8371 4037 Thus plc | | Mobile: +44 7973 377646
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Clive D.W. Feather
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Garrett Wollman
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Infoman Inc.
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ken@halcyon.com
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Paul Eggert