[PATCH 1/2] Follow Australian common usage and update CST/CST to CST/CDT and EST/EST to EST/EDT etc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000 @@ -13,13 +13,13 @@ # Please see the notes below for the controversy about "EST" versus "AEST" etc. # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule Aus 1917 only - Jan 1 0:01 1:00 - -Rule Aus 1917 only - Mar 25 2:00 0 - -Rule Aus 1942 only - Jan 1 2:00 1:00 - -Rule Aus 1942 only - Mar 29 2:00 0 - -Rule Aus 1942 only - Sep 27 2:00 1:00 - -Rule Aus 1943 1944 - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 - -Rule Aus 1943 only - Oct 3 2:00 1:00 - +Rule Aus 1917 only - Jan 1 0:01 1:00 D +Rule Aus 1917 only - Mar 25 2:00 0 S +Rule Aus 1942 only - Jan 1 2:00 1:00 D +Rule Aus 1942 only - Mar 29 2:00 0 S +Rule Aus 1942 only - Sep 27 2:00 1:00 D +Rule Aus 1943 1944 - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 S +Rule Aus 1943 only - Oct 3 2:00 1:00 D # Go with Whitman and the Australian National Standards Commission, which # says W Australia didn't use DST in 1943/1944. Ignore Whitman's claim that # 1944/1945 was just like 1943/1944. @@ -28,25 +28,25 @@ # Northern Territory Zone Australia/Darwin 8:43:20 - LMT 1895 Feb 9:00 - CST 1899 May - 9:30 Aus CST + 9:30 Aus C%sT # Western Australia # # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AW 1974 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AW 1975 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AW 1983 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AW 1984 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AW 1991 only - Nov 17 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AW 1992 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AW 2006 only - Dec 3 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AW 2007 2009 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AW 2007 2008 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - +Rule AW 1974 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AW 1975 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AW 1983 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AW 1984 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AW 1991 only - Nov 17 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AW 1992 only - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AW 2006 only - Dec 3 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AW 2007 2009 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AW 2007 2008 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D Zone Australia/Perth 7:43:24 - LMT 1895 Dec - 8:00 Aus WST 1943 Jul - 8:00 AW WST + 8:00 Aus W%sT 1943 Jul + 8:00 AW W%sT Zone Australia/Eucla 8:35:28 - LMT 1895 Dec - 8:45 Aus CWST 1943 Jul - 8:45 AW CWST + 8:45 Aus CW%sT 1943 Jul + 8:45 AW CW%sT # Queensland # @@ -62,42 +62,42 @@ # so use Lindeman. # # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AQ 1971 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AQ 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AQ 1989 1991 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AQ 1990 1992 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule Holiday 1992 1993 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule Holiday 1993 1994 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - +Rule AQ 1971 only - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AQ 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AQ 1989 1991 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AQ 1990 1992 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule Holiday 1992 1993 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule Holiday 1993 1994 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S Zone Australia/Brisbane 10:12:08 - LMT 1895 - 10:00 Aus EST 1971 - 10:00 AQ EST + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1971 + 10:00 AQ E%sT Zone Australia/Lindeman 9:55:56 - LMT 1895 - 10:00 Aus EST 1971 - 10:00 AQ EST 1992 Jul - 10:00 Holiday EST + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1971 + 10:00 AQ E%sT 1992 Jul + 10:00 Holiday E%sT # South Australia # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AS 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AS 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AS 1987 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AS 1972 only - Feb 27 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1973 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1986 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1991 only - Mar 3 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1992 only - Mar 22 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1993 only - Mar 7 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1994 only - Mar 20 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 1995 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 2006 only - Apr 2 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AS 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - +Rule AS 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AS 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AS 1987 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AS 1972 only - Feb 27 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1973 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1986 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1991 only - Mar 3 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1992 only - Mar 22 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1993 only - Mar 7 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1994 only - Mar 20 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 1995 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 2006 only - Apr 2 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AS 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Australia/Adelaide 9:14:20 - LMT 1895 Feb 9:00 - CST 1899 May - 9:30 Aus CST 1971 - 9:30 AS CST + 9:30 Aus C%sT 1971 + 9:30 AS C%sT # Tasmania # @@ -106,106 +106,106 @@ # says King Island didn't observe DST from WWII until late 1971. # # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AT 1967 only - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1968 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1968 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1969 1971 - Mar Sun>=8 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1973 1981 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1982 1983 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1984 1986 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1986 only - Oct Sun>=15 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1987 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 1987 only - Oct Sun>=22 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1988 1990 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1991 1999 - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 1991 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 2001 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AT 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AT 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - +Rule AT 1967 only - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1968 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1968 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1969 1971 - Mar Sun>=8 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1973 1981 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1982 1983 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1984 1986 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1986 only - Oct Sun>=15 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1987 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 1987 only - Oct Sun>=22 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1988 1990 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1991 1999 - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 1991 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 2001 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AT 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AT 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Australia/Hobart 9:49:16 - LMT 1895 Sep 10:00 - EST 1916 Oct 1 2:00 - 10:00 1:00 EST 1917 Feb - 10:00 Aus EST 1967 - 10:00 AT EST + 10:00 1:00 EDT 1917 Feb + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1967 + 10:00 AT E%sT Zone Australia/Currie 9:35:28 - LMT 1895 Sep 10:00 - EST 1916 Oct 1 2:00 - 10:00 1:00 EST 1917 Feb - 10:00 Aus EST 1971 Jul - 10:00 AT EST + 10:00 1:00 EDT 1917 Feb + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1971 Jul + 10:00 AT E%sT # Victoria # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AV 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AV 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 1973 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 1986 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 1986 1987 - Oct Sun>=15 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AV 1988 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AV 1991 1994 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 1995 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AV 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AV 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AV 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - +Rule AV 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AV 1972 only - Feb lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 1973 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 1986 1990 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 1986 1987 - Oct Sun>=15 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AV 1988 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AV 1991 1994 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 1995 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AV 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AV 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AV 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Australia/Melbourne 9:39:52 - LMT 1895 Feb - 10:00 Aus EST 1971 - 10:00 AV EST + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1971 + 10:00 AV E%sT # New South Wales # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule AN 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AN 1972 only - Feb 27 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1973 1981 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1982 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1983 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1986 1989 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AN 1987 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AN 1990 1995 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 1996 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AN 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 - -Rule AN 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 - -Rule AN 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 - +Rule AN 1971 1985 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AN 1972 only - Feb 27 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1973 1981 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1982 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1983 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1986 1989 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AN 1987 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AN 1990 1995 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 1996 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AN 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00s 1:00 D +Rule AN 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00s 0 S +Rule AN 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00s 1:00 D # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Australia/Sydney 10:04:52 - LMT 1895 Feb - 10:00 Aus EST 1971 - 10:00 AN EST + 10:00 Aus E%sT 1971 + 10:00 AN E%sT Zone Australia/Broken_Hill 9:25:48 - LMT 1895 Feb 10:00 - EST 1896 Aug 23 9:00 - CST 1899 May - 9:30 Aus CST 1971 - 9:30 AN CST 2000 - 9:30 AS CST + 9:30 Aus C%sT 1971 + 9:30 AN C%sT 2000 + 9:30 AS C%sT # Lord Howe Island # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule LH 1981 1984 - Oct lastSun 2:00 1:00 - -Rule LH 1982 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 1985 only - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 - -Rule LH 1986 1989 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00 0:30 - -Rule LH 1987 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 - -Rule LH 1990 1995 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 1996 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00 0:30 - -Rule LH 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 - -Rule LH 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 0 - -Rule LH 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00 0:30 - +Rule LH 1981 1984 - Oct lastSun 2:00 1:00 D +Rule LH 1982 1985 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 1985 only - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 D +Rule LH 1986 1989 - Mar Sun>=15 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 1986 only - Oct 19 2:00 0:30 D +Rule LH 1987 1999 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 D +Rule LH 1990 1995 - Mar Sun>=1 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 1996 2005 - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00 0:30 D +Rule LH 2001 2007 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 D +Rule LH 2006 only - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 2007 only - Mar lastSun 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 2008 max - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 0 S +Rule LH 2008 max - Oct Sun>=1 2:00 0:30 D Zone Australia/Lord_Howe 10:36:20 - LMT 1895 Feb 10:00 - EST 1981 Mar - 10:30 LH LHST + 10:30 LH LH%sT # Australian miscellany # @@ -841,39 +841,15 @@ # Implementation Dates of Daylight Saving Time within Australia # </a> summarizes daylight saving issues in Australia. -# From Arthur David Olson (2005-12-12): -# <a href="http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Corporate/ll_agdinfo.nsf/pages/community_relations_daylight_saving"> -# Lawlink NSW:Daylight Saving in New South Wales -# </a> covers New South Wales in particular. - -# From John Mackin (1991-03-06): -# We in Australia have _never_ referred to DST as `daylight' time. -# It is called `summer' time. Now by a happy coincidence, `summer' -# and `standard' happen to start with the same letter; hence, the -# abbreviation does _not_ change... -# The legislation does not actually define abbreviations, at least -# in this State, but the abbreviation is just commonly taken to be the -# initials of the phrase, and the legislation here uniformly uses -# the phrase `summer time' and does not use the phrase `daylight -# time'. -# Announcers on the Commonwealth radio network, the ABC (for Australian -# Broadcasting Commission), use the phrases `Eastern Standard Time' -# or `Eastern Summer Time'. (Note, though, that as I say in the -# current australasia file, there is really no such thing.) Announcers -# on its overseas service, Radio Australia, use the same phrases -# prefixed by the word `Australian' when referring to local times; -# time announcements on that service, naturally enough, are made in UTC. - -# From Arthur David Olson (1992-03-08): -# Given the above, what's chosen for year-round use is: -# CST for any place operating at a GMTOFF of 9:30 -# WST for any place operating at a GMTOFF of 8:00 -# EST for any place operating at a GMTOFF of 10:00 +# From Timothy Arceri (2013-04-09) +# Webpage that lists the Australian Governments recommended time zone names and abbreviations: +# http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our-country/time +# +# NSW Goverment time definitions (covers time zones and abbreviations): +# http://www.communityrelations.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/cru/daylight/definitions_of... # From Chuck Soper (2006-06-01): -# I recently found this Australian government web page on time zones: -# <http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia-13time> -# And this government web page lists time zone names and abbreviations: +# This government web page lists time zone names and abbreviations: # <http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/daysavtm.shtml> # From Paul Eggert (2001-04-05), summarizing a long discussion about "EST" @@ -957,6 +933,33 @@ # saying that both AEST/AEDT and EST/EST are widely used and # understood in Australia. +# From Timothy Arceri (2013-04-09), results from a long discussion about +# "EST" - Eastern Summer Time versus "EDT" - Eastern Daylight Time etc.: +# +# * Do Australians more often use "EDT" or "EST"? +# +# 875,000 "Eastern Standard Time (EST)" site:.au +# 655,000 "Eastern Standard Time (AEST)" site:.au +# +# 6 "Eastern Summer Time (EST)" site:.au +# 64 "Eastern Summer Time (AEST)" site:.au +# 30,500 "Eastern Daylight Time (EDT)" site:.au +# 180,000 "Eastern Daylight Time (AEDT)" site:.au +# +# 357,000 "Central Standard Time (CST)" site:.au +# 316 "Central Standard Time (ACST)" site:.au +# +# 4 "Central Summer Time (CST)" site:.au +# 0 "Central Summer Time (ACST)" site:.au +# +# 19,600 "Central Daylight Time (CDT)" site:.au +# 157 "Central Daylight Time (ACDT)" site:.au +# +# Here we are only looking at cases where the time zone abbreviation +# has been defined. These results show that the abbreviation for Daylight +# time EDT/AEDT/CDT/ACDT is overwhelmingly greater than the usage of the +# abbreviation for Summer time EST/AEST/CST/ACST + # From Paul Eggert (1995-12-19): # Shanks & Pottenger report 2:00 for all autumn changes in Australia and NZ. # Mark Prior writes that his newspaper
Like Ian, I prefer on list discussion for archival purposes and more feedback. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Timothy Arceri <T.Arceri@bom.gov.au> wrote:
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000 # Lord Howe Island
# Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S +Rule LH 1985 only - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 D
Zone Australia/Lord_Howe 10:36:20 - LMT 1895 Feb - 10:30 LH LHST
+ 10:30 LH LH%sT
As has been posted at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-April/018988.html there is precedence for avoiding "D" if the offset change during DST is different from 60 min. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
Hi Tobias, I meant to respond to your suggestion to use a different letter for half hour daylight savings earlier but real work got in the way. I appreciate what you are trying to do in trying to create a standard for abbreviations. However I fear this is out of the scope of what we are trying to achieve right now. You are looking at the big picture but this would involve convincing everyone worldwide to make sure they use these abbreviations consistently not just the people on this list. While I don't agree with everyone's interpretation of what it should mean (or how to decided it) I do generally agree with the statement ' the TZ Coordinator SHALL NOT set time zone policy for a region but use judgment and whatever available sources exist to assess what the average person on street would think the time actually is ' In other words we should not be inventing a new abbreviation for Lord Howe Island.
there is precedence for avoiding "D" if the offset change during DST is different from 60 min.
This is a little confusing as the Cook Islands data entry is in amongst the Australian islands but it is not an Australian territory so this precedence does not apply to the Australian abbreviations. I considered moving the Cook Islands data in the file as part of my patch but decided it was a separate issue. Maybe Paul might consider moving it? Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tobias Conradi [mailto:tobias.conradi@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 4:17 PM To: tz@iana.org mailing list; Timothy Arceri Subject: Re: [tz] [PATCH 1/2] Follow Australian common usage and update CST/CST to CST/CDT and EST/EST to EST/EDT etc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Like Ian, I prefer on list discussion for archival purposes and more feedback. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Timothy Arceri <T.Arceri@bom.gov.au> wrote:
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000 # Lord Howe Island
# Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S +Rule LH 1985 only - Oct lastSun 2:00 0:30 D
Zone Australia/Lord_Howe 10:36:20 - LMT 1895 Feb - 10:30 LH LHST
+ 10:30 LH LH%sT
As has been posted at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-April/018988.html there is precedence for avoiding "D" if the offset change during DST is different from 60 min. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Timothy Arceri <T.Arceri@bom.gov.au> wrote:
Hi Tobias,
I meant to respond to your suggestion to use a different letter for half hour daylight savings earlier but real work got in the way.
I appreciate what you are trying to do in trying to create a standard for abbreviations. However I fear this is out of the scope of what we are trying to achieve right now.
You are confusing something. My proposal to use internationalized time point unique abbreviations ( http://anna.info/wiki/Internationalized_time_point_unique_time_zone_abbrevia... ) is not the precedence in the IANA time zone database that I gave as evidence against your application of the letter D.
I do generally agree with the statement ' the TZ Coordinator SHALL NOT set time zone policy for a region but use judgment and whatever available sources exist to assess what the average person on street would think the time actually is ' Apart from the fact that the TZ Coordinator is setting time zone policy against what is observed (Siberia, Bouvet Island with wrong offsets), the discussion here is about abbreviations. If you think that abbreviations are covered by the above statement, then look at FET (Europe), WIT (Indonesia) where the TZ Coordinator invented completely new abbreviations.
In other words we should not be inventing a new abbreviation for Lord Howe Island. LHDT is new to the database and the use of D for 0:30 has no precedence. To the contrary, HD and HS are used for Half Daylight and Half Summer, as DD and DS are used for Double Daylight and Double Summer (2:00).
there is precedence for avoiding "D" if the offset change during DST is different from 60 min.
This is a little confusing as the Cook Islands data entry is in amongst the Australian islands but it is not an Australian territory so this precedence does not apply to the Australian abbreviations. I didn't claim it to be Australian territory. Is there anywhere any evidence that D is used /in the database as offset marker/ for anything else than 60 min?
An updated table about letter usage within the abbreviations can be found at; http://anna.info/wiki/IANA_time_zone_database#Abbreviations -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
On 2013-04-11 00:50, Timothy Arceri wrote:
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000
On a technical note, this patch and the other one don't apply very cleanly as something has mangled all the tabs into spaces. -- -=( Ian Abbott @ MEV Ltd. E-mail: <abbotti@mev.co.uk> )=- -=( Tel: +44 (0)161 477 1898 FAX: +44 (0)161 718 3587 )=-
Hi Ian, Did you try the patches from Davids website? ftp://ftp.relativedata.com/pub/tz-patches/ ________________________________________ From: Ian Abbott [abbotti@mev.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 11:33 PM To: Timothy Arceri Cc: 'tz@iana.org' (tz@iana.org) Subject: Re: [tz] [PATCH 1/2] Follow Australian common usage and update CST/CST to CST/CDT and EST/EST to EST/EDT etc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] On 2013-04-11 00:50, Timothy Arceri wrote:
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000
On a technical note, this patch and the other one don't apply very cleanly as something has mangled all the tabs into spaces. -- -=( Ian Abbott @ MEV Ltd. E-mail: <abbotti@mev.co.uk> )=- -=( Tel: +44 (0)161 477 1898 FAX: +44 (0)161 718 3587 )=-
On 2013-04-11 22:46, Timothy Arceri wrote:
Hi Ian,
Did you try the patches from Davids website? ftp://ftp.relativedata.com/pub/tz-patches/
No, but I've just tried those ones and they apply fine. It's the emailed patches that are faulty.
________________________________________ From: Ian Abbott [abbotti@mev.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 11:33 PM To: Timothy Arceri Cc: 'tz@iana.org' (tz@iana.org) Subject: Re: [tz] [PATCH 1/2] Follow Australian common usage and update CST/CST to CST/CDT and EST/EST to EST/EDT etc [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 2013-04-11 00:50, Timothy Arceri wrote:
--- australasia 2013-02-21 07:00:40.000000000 +0000 +++ australasia_new 2013-04-10 00:39:26.000000000 +0000
On a technical note, this patch and the other one don't apply very cleanly as something has mangled all the tabs into spaces.
-- -=( Ian Abbott @ MEV Ltd. E-mail: <abbotti@mev.co.uk> )=- -=( Tel: +44 (0)161 477 1898 FAX: +44 (0)161 718 3587 )=-
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