Tunis confirmed not to use DST in 2010
According to some news reports Tunis confirmed not to use DST in 2010 (translation:) "The Tunisian government has decided to abandon DST, which was scheduled on Sunday ... Tunisian authorities had suspended the DST for the first time last year also coincided with the month of Ramadan..." (in Arabic) http://www.moheet.com/show_news.aspx?nid=358861&pg=1 http://www.almadenahnews.com/newss/news.php?c=118&id=38036 or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_tunis02.html Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
Yes definitely, I do confirm, once again, that *from 2009 and on, Tunisia will no longer observe daylight saving time*. The daylight saving have been used from 2006 till 2008 beginning on each last Sunday of March at 2:00 am and ending on the last Sunday of October at 3:00 am. From 2009 and on Tunisian will no longer use daylight saving. Here is the link to the Tunisian press agency whom announced this : http://www.tap.info.tn/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26813&It... I have sent the same email last year. Could you please correct this ASAP. Regards, _______________________________________________________ Atef LOUKIL Tunisian Internet Agency, ATI-LIR&NIC Departement 13, Rue Jugurtha Mutuelleville - 1002 Tunis - Tunisia Phone: 216 71 846 100 Fax: 216 71 846 600 http://www.ati.tn On 27/03/2010 16:25, Alexander Krivenyshev wrote:
According to some news reports Tunis confirmed not to use DST in 2010
(translation:) "The Tunisian government has decided to abandon DST, which was scheduled on Sunday ... Tunisian authorities had suspended the DST for the first time last year also coincided with the month of Ramadan..."
(in Arabic) http://www.moheet.com/show_news.aspx?nid=358861&pg=1 http://www.almadenahnews.com/newss/news.php?c=118&id=38036
or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_tunis02.html
Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com
Hello Much of this is probably off topic, and may be wordy for many of the people on this list, but I have some questions about the historical meanings within the tz files, and how the files could be extended backwards for further date/time studies before 1980 & 1847. Perhaps my questions should be directed to calendar historians within this list, but here's what's on my mind.. - I am particularly interested in the meaning and accuracy of the opening entries for each tz zone. Almost every zone starts with an LMT record. For example, For Europe/London, the opening record states: Zone Europe/London -0:01:15 - LMT 1847 Dec 1 0:00s Does this mean that the city of London decreed that all clocks in the city of London should follow mean solar time with this pattern? Does this also mean that all, or most towns around London also synchronized to London time on the same date, or should I assume that on this date each city & town around London was expected to synchronize to their OWN local mean times? And what was the time-keeping standard before that date? I presume that many Brits where already using local mean times for their own towns before 1847, or should i assume that before 1847, most places in the UK where still using apparent solar times? For example: if I am researching Canterbury, on what date should I assume that it would start following its own LMT, and on what date would it start following London's LMT: before 1847, 1847, or later? Its easy enough to determine a location's apparent solar time, but determining when a place moved from apparent solar time to mean solar time, or then to a regional tz-based mean solar time is not clear to me. - Also - before 1847, I am curious about two other calendar-related issues... 1) For each tz zone, on what date did a preferred or decreed calendar change? (julian, gregorian, islamic, Chinese, French Republican, etc.). Most Catholic zones moved to Gregorian originally, but non-Catholic zones move to Gregorian on their own decreed dates. 2) For each zone, on what date did the start of year change? (Jan 1st vs March 1st, for example). The above issues are important to me for comparative historical studies, and genealogy. I intend to starting keeping track of the these pre-Fleming calendrical rules - yet using tz's zone names for synchronization - and making it freely available for others if it has not already been done. I'm willing to take it offline of this list and maintain it myself and for others for free download. Would there be other people on this list, or calendar historians, that would also be interested in me keeping this information in a usable standard format, and would people be interested in providing data, references and updates for a pre-tz calendrical preferences database like that I've mentioned above? Feel free to reply to me off this list, or on, whichever is most appropriate. I'm also willing to start a separate mailing list if its warranted. Thanks David Patte Relative Data, Inc.
David Patte <dpatte@relativedata.com> writes:
Zone Europe/London -0:01:15 - LMT 1847 Dec 1 0:00s
Does this mean that the city of London decreed that all clocks in the city of London should follow mean solar time with this pattern?
No, it merely means that common practice in London was to use local time before the stated date. Whether this was actually mean solar time, or some other approximation to mean solar time, isn't kept track of. The database currently approximates all the pre-standard-time stuff with local mean time (a.k.a. mean solar time a.k.a. mean time a.k.a. mean local time). London is very much a special case, since here LMT stands for "London Mean Time" as instituted by the Great Western Railway; this is valid for Great Western stations in London but not for all parts of London.
Does this also mean that all, or most towns around London also synchronized to London time on the same date, or should I assume that on this date each city & town around London was expected to synchronize to their OWN local mean times?
No, it's for London only. It doesn't say anything about locations other than London, for time stamps before 1970. The only claim is that all clocks in the Europe/London zone have agreed since 1970, and that the entry is accurate (as far it goes) for time stamps in London itself before 1970.
And what was the time-keeping standard before that date? I presume that many Brits where already using local mean times for their own towns before 1847, or should i assume that before 1847, most places in the UK where still using apparent solar times?
That's out of scope for the tz database. The actual situation was pretty chaotic (see the London example above) and is typically quite-poorly documented (London is one of the best-documented, and even so we don't at all know when each part of London switched).
- Also - before 1847, I am curious about two other calendar-related issues...
Calendar issues are out of scope as well; this is discussed in the Theory file.
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, David Patte wrote:
- I am particularly interested in the meaning and accuracy of the opening entries for each tz zone. Almost every zone starts with an LMT record. For example, For Europe/London, the opening record states:
Zone Europe/London -0:01:15 - LMT 1847 Dec 1 0:00s
Does this mean that the city of London decreed that all clocks in the city of London should follow mean solar time with this pattern?
No, as Paul says, that entry relates to the railways and perhaps also shipping. Legal time in Britain was local mean time until 1880. See http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jsm28/british-time/
And what was the time-keeping standard before that date?
Hard to determine. For example, I read somewhere (and lost the reference, sorry) that in the 18th century, time in London (or perhaps just at court) was determined by the Kew Observatory, not Greenwich.
Its easy enough to determine a location's apparent solar time, but determining when a place moved from apparent solar time to mean solar time, or then to a regional tz-based mean solar time is not clear to me.
The answer to apparent solar time vs. mean solar time is a question of what was the normal practice for setting clocks, which I can't answer. Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ GERMAN BIGHT HUMBER: SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7. MODERATE OR ROUGH. SQUALLY SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD.
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