Re: [tz] Europe/Volgograd change from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018
Alexander Fetisov wrote:
Volgograd region in southern Russia (Europe/Volgograd) change timezone from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018.
Thanks for the heads-up and the URL. Its supporting info says the transition occurs at 02:00 that day, the usual practice in that region. That web page says "Находится на рассмотрении" which Google Translate renders as "Is pending", and it later says "Срок представления поправок 10.10.2018" which Google Translate renders as "Term for the submission of amendments 10/10/2018", so it sounds like the bill is under consideration but is not yet law and might be amended. Am I correct? If so, we need to know if and when the proposed change becomes definite. If we're pretty sure the law will go in as-is, we might want to update tzdb before October 10 since this is not much notice for downstream users.
I found a recent news item about the Volgograd change. The article says the change passed the State Duma in the first reading, and suggests that momentum is behind a change (a referendum passed 59-40 in March). ГД поддержала законопроект о переходе Волгоградской области в другой часовой пояс. Vmeste-RF. 2018-09-11 14:09 +03. http://vmeste-rf.tv/news/the-state-duma-supported-the-bill-on-the-transition...
20.09.2018 в 11:10:40 -0700 Paul Eggert написал:
Alexander Fetisov wrote:
Volgograd region in southern Russia (Europe/Volgograd) change timezone from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018.
Thanks for the heads-up and the URL. Its supporting info says the transition occurs at 02:00 that day, the usual practice in that region.
That web page says "Находится на рассмотрении" which Google Translate renders as "Is pending", and it later says "Срок представления поправок 10.10.2018" which Google Translate renders as "Term for the submission of amendments 10/10/2018", so it sounds like the bill is under consideration but is not yet law and might be amended. Am I correct? If so, we need to know if and when the proposed change becomes definite.
The bill is just approved by the State Duma in the first reading. It will need to be approved in the second reading. That's usually the time when such bills are amended. Then in will need to be approved by the Federation Council, signed by President and published.
If we're pretty sure the law will go in as-is, we might want to update tzdb before October 10 since this is not much notice for downstream users.
According to http://council.gov.ru/activity/meetings/schedule/63303/ the first time the Federation Council convenes after 2018-10-10 is 2018-10-24. This leaves just 3 days for the law to be signed by President if passed as-is. IIRC, the bill that changed time zone for Saratov was in similar situation and was amended in the second reading by delaying the change a week or two.
Is it just Volgograd? or will Saratov or Kirov oblasts follow? ________________________________ From: tz <tz-bounces@iana.org> on behalf of Stepan Golosunov <stepan@golosunov.pp.ru> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 1:11 PM To: Paul Eggert Cc: Time zone mailing list; Alexander Fetisov Subject: Re: [tz] Europe/Volgograd change from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018 20.09.2018 в 11:10:40 -0700 Paul Eggert написал:
Alexander Fetisov wrote:
Volgograd region in southern Russia (Europe/Volgograd) change timezone from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018.
Thanks for the heads-up and the URL. Its supporting info says the transition occurs at 02:00 that day, the usual practice in that region.
That web page says "Находится на рассмотрении" which Google Translate renders as "Is pending", and it later says "Срок представления поправок 10.10.2018" which Google Translate renders as "Term for the submission of amendments 10/10/2018", so it sounds like the bill is under consideration but is not yet law and might be amended. Am I correct? If so, we need to know if and when the proposed change becomes definite.
The bill is just approved by the State Duma in the first reading. It will need to be approved in the second reading. That's usually the time when such bills are amended. Then in will need to be approved by the Federation Council, signed by President and published.
If we're pretty sure the law will go in as-is, we might want to update tzdb before October 10 since this is not much notice for downstream users.
According to http://council.gov.ru/activity/meetings/schedule/63303/ the first time the Federation Council convenes after 2018-10-10 is 2018-10-24. This leaves just 3 days for the law to be signed by President if passed as-is. IIRC, the bill that changed time zone for Saratov was in similar situation and was amended in the second reading by delaying the change a week or two.
20.09.2018 в 21:40:07 +0000 Matt Johnson написал(а):
Is it just Volgograd? or will Saratov or Kirov oblasts follow?
That bill is just for Volgograd. The same time zone change for Saratov was implemented two years ago. I did not heard of any plans to change time zone for Kirov. The bill to move clocks throughout Russia mentioned in https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2018-August/026741.html seems to be recalled.
________________________________ From: tz <tz-bounces@iana.org> on behalf of Stepan Golosunov <stepan@golosunov.pp.ru> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 1:11 PM To: Paul Eggert Cc: Time zone mailing list; Alexander Fetisov Subject: Re: [tz] Europe/Volgograd change from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018
20.09.2018 в 11:10:40 -0700 Paul Eggert написал:
Alexander Fetisov wrote:
Volgograd region in southern Russia (Europe/Volgograd) change timezone from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018.
Thanks for the heads-up and the URL. Its supporting info says the transition occurs at 02:00 that day, the usual practice in that region.
That web page says "Находится на рассмотрении" which Google Translate renders as "Is pending", and it later says "Срок представления поправок 10.10.2018" which Google Translate renders as "Term for the submission of amendments 10/10/2018", so it sounds like the bill is under consideration but is not yet law and might be amended. Am I correct? If so, we need to know if and when the proposed change becomes definite.
The bill is just approved by the State Duma in the first reading. It will need to be approved in the second reading. That's usually the time when such bills are amended. Then in will need to be approved by the Federation Council, signed by President and published.
If we're pretty sure the law will go in as-is, we might want to update tzdb before October 10 since this is not much notice for downstream users.
According to http://council.gov.ru/activity/meetings/schedule/63303/ the first time the Federation Council convenes after 2018-10-10 is 2018-10-24. This leaves just 3 days for the law to be signed by President if passed as-is. IIRC, the bill that changed time zone for Saratov was in similar situation and was amended in the second reading by delaying the change a week or two.
21.09.2018 в 00:11:44 +0400 Stepan Golosunov написал:
20.09.2018 в 11:10:40 -0700 Paul Eggert написал:
Alexander Fetisov wrote:
Volgograd region in southern Russia (Europe/Volgograd) change timezone from UTC+3 to UTC+4 from 28oct2018.
If we're pretty sure the law will go in as-is, we might want to update tzdb before October 10 since this is not much notice for downstream users.
According to http://council.gov.ru/activity/meetings/schedule/63303/ the first time the Federation Council convenes after 2018-10-10 is 2018-10-24. This leaves just 3 days for the law to be signed by President if passed as-is. IIRC, the bill that changed time zone for Saratov was in similar situation and was amended in the second reading by delaying the change a week or two.
So they decided to cut short wait for amendments. According to http://sozd.parliament.gov.ru/bill/452878-7 the bill is already approved by the State Duma and now is in the Federation Council. Looks like no amendments were made. The bill will likely be approved by the Federation Council on 2018-10-03, then signed by the President and published into law on 2018-10-08 +/- few days. No amendments are possible unless the bill is rejected by the Federation Council or by the President.
Thanks for the heads-up. As it looks much more likely that this change will happen than it won't, I installed the attached patch into the development version on GitHub. Presumably we should generate a new tzdb release soon after the Volgograd change becomes official, if we haven't generated one already. It's too bad the Russian officials aren't giving us much notice.
29.09.2018 в 03:01:31 -0700 Paul Eggert написал:
Thanks for the heads-up. As it looks much more likely that this change will happen than it won't, I installed the attached patch into the development version on GitHub. Presumably we should generate a new tzdb release soon after the Volgograd change becomes official, if we haven't generated one already.
It's too bad the Russian officials aren't giving us much notice.
+ Volgograd moves from +03 to +04 on 2018-10-28.
The law has been published today on http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201810110037
Thanks. Proposed patch attached. We'll need a new release soon for this. I'm hoping we can squeeze in Brazil.
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