Bug - Statement by Paul Eggert (a TZ Coordinator) on update process not agreeing with IANA sources
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 05/24/2012 03:46 PM, Tobias Conradi wrote: You should I think I should nothing. I do what I want.
consider taking a step backwards and refraining from sending email to the tz list for a while, If you fix all bugs, I will stop emailing.
Wasn't it a Paul Eggert who introduced the Idaho bug http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017897.html ? And now a Paul Eggert doesn't like bugs being reported by Tobias Conradi?
as this sort of behavior is counterproductive. Counterproductive to what?
Counterproductive to fixing bugs? http://www.iana.org/time-zones has the text: ------------------ Mailing Lists ... Submissions/Discussions A higher volume discussion list used for discussing proposals for updates to the Database. Contributions to this list may be emailed to tz@iana.org. ----------------- That's exactly what I do. If that's not wanted, the page text is wrong. But if one thinks the page text is defining what is wanted, then Paul Eggert may be wrong. At which end is the bug, Paul Eggert or IANA? The page also has the text: TZ Coordinator The IESG-designated TZ Coordinator is Paul Eggert. Would that be you? If so, then here is a part of your role description: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6557 TZ Coordinator: The person or people who maintain and manage release of the TZ Database. I don't see any release at ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/releases/ since 2012-04-13 "The IESG has approved Paul Eggert (eggert at cs.ucla.edu) as the new Time Zone coordinator." (Source: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017853.html ) ========================= Delivered-To: tobias.conradi@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.96.144 with SMTP id r16csp81028eef; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.221.74 with SMTP id qc10mr28159196pbc.31.1337918798479; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu (smtp.cs.ucla.edu. [131.179.128.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id hs4si4058777pbc.296.2012.05.24.21.06.37; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eggert@cs.ucla.edu designates 131.179.128.62 as permitted sender) client-ip=131.179.128.62; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eggert@cs.ucla.edu designates 131.179.128.62 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eggert@cs.ucla.edu Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D7C39E800D for <tobias.conradi@gmail.com>; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gPsEGneTXkIk for <tobias.conradi@gmail.com>; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (pool-71-189-109-235.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.189.109.235]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2942E39E8007 for <tobias.conradi@gmail.com>; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FBF054C.50108@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 21:06:36 -0700 From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tobias Conradi <tobias.conradi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tz] Sascha Wildner, asking about working privately and about patching, being on the wrong mailing list References: <CAAGevbVExSqCJPN4p0gBg-TsKSWRZ-pNpjW1zN8OUv-CS_M3HQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAAGevbVExSqCJPN4p0gBg-TsKSWRZ-pNpjW1zN8OUv-CS_M3HQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 05/24/2012 03:46 PM, Tobias Conradi wrote:
Mirror mirror on the wall.
You should consider taking a step backwards and refraining from sending email to the tz list for a while, as this sort of behavior is counterproductive. ========================================= -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 02:20:44AM +0200, Tobias Conradi <tobias.conradi@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/24/2012 03:46 PM, Tobias Conradi wrote: You should I think I should nothing. I do what I want.
consider taking a step backwards and refraining from sending email to the tz list for a while, If you fix all bugs, I will stop emailing.
Just for those who didn't get it (which seem to be too many). The troling pattern that Tobias Conradi employs is very common, and one of the hardest to fight against. What he does is report a large number of non-issues (such as typos or similarly irrelevant "bugs"). Since many of these are actual bugs, it is hard to ignore them for people with a modicum of manners. Yes, some of the issue she brings up are real, but the amount of time wasted on finding out which are, and even the amount of time wasted in fixing trivial issues such as typos is high. (It might help to remember that tobias himself actively and deliberately ignores the most basic rules of netiquette, such as posting private mails even when people asked him no to - it is clear that his intentions are not honest). The problem is that this ties a large amount of resources. Like mine, just from sifting through his mails, and certainly the resources of the people who actually do work on the timezone database. And this list is an almost idela target, because in the decade I am subscribed to it (and probably before that) nothig like that ever happened before. I do admire Paul Eggert (and others) who actually tried to work with him, but the net result of even trying to fix any issues he brings up is very probably negative, because people unsubscribe and most importantly, time is wasted on a large number of issues that are clearly irrelevant. Tobias is simply a timebinder who tries to drag projects down into a mode where they can't do any progress. The only long term solution is to get rid of him (which is difficult, but in the end, must be done), as other projects before have done when dealing with him. He will not stop dragging down everything and everybody in useless discussions. Sorry to add to the problem, this is definitely my only mail pointing this out. -- The choice of a Deliantra, the free code+content MORPG -----==- _GNU_ http://www.deliantra.net ----==-- _ generation ---==---(_)__ __ ____ __ Marc Lehmann --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / schmorp@schmorp.de -=====/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
On Sat, 26 May 2012, Marc Lehmann wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 02:20:44AM +0200, Tobias Conradi <tobias.conradi@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/24/2012 03:46 PM, Tobias Conradi wrote: You should
I think I should nothing. I do what I want.
consider taking a step backwards and refraining from sending email to the tz list for a while,
If you fix all bugs, I will stop emailing.
Just for those who didn't get it (which seem to be too many). The troling pattern that Tobias Conradi employs is very common, and one of the hardest to fight against.
The only way to stop trolls is to stop feeding the trolls. I've just rewatched the video "Google I/O 2008 - Open Source Projects and Poisonous People" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F-3E8pyjFo) - I would highly recommend to watch this. cheers, Derick
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Tobias Conradi