Permanent DST in Florida: step 2 of 4 completed
"The Florida Senate passed the Sunshine Protection Act on Tuesday, three weeks after the state’s House of Representatives, and sent it to Gov. Rick Scott..." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/us/daylight-saving-time-florida.html?smid... (I have hopes for a new CBS hit series, "DST: Miami.") (Less frivolously, discussions about using EDT, AST, or FST--and how to set tm_isdst--can begin in earnest.) @dashdashado
On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
"The Florida Senate passed the Sunshine Protection Act on Tuesday, three weeks after the state’s House of Representatives, and sent it to Gov. Rick Scott..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/08/us/daylight-saving-time-florida.html?smid...
(I have hopes for a new CBS hit series, "DST: Miami.")
(Less frivolously, discussions about using EDT, AST, or FST--and how to set tm_isdst--can begin in earnest.)
Interesting that apparently the legislators didn't know they can avoid the "have to ask permission" issue simply by moving the state over one timezone and adopting "standard time all the time". paul
apparently the legislators didn't know they can avoid the "have to ask permission" issue simply by moving the state over one timezone and adopting "standard time all the time".
They still have to apply to the Dept of Transportation to change to the UTC-4 zone. The only advantage to that is it wouldn't require an Act of Congress.
On 03/08/2018 11:51 AM, Paul.Koning@dell.com wrote:
the legislators didn't know they can avoid the "have to ask permission" issue simply by moving the state over one timezone and adopting "standard time all the time"
No, as they need to ask Steven G. Bradbury first. Who's Steven G. Bradbury, you ask? Changing timezones requires permission from the U.S. Secretary of Transportation, who typically follows the recommendation of the USDOT General Counsel, who is currently Steven G. Bradbury. This sort of thing was last done in 2007, for Knox, Daviess, Martin, Pike, and Dubois Counties in Indiana. See: https://www.transportation.gov/regulations/procedure-moving-area-one-time-zo...
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 03/08/2018 11:51 AM, Paul.Koning@dell.com wrote:
the legislators didn't know they can avoid the "have to ask permission" issue simply by moving the state over one timezone and adopting "standard time all the time"
No, as they need to ask Steven G. Bradbury first.
Who's Steven G. Bradbury, you ask? Changing timezones requires permission from the U.S. Secretary of Transportation, who typically follows the recommendation of the USDOT General Counsel, who is currently Steven G. Bradbury. This sort of thing was last done in 2007, for Knox, Daviess, Martin, Pike, and Dubois Counties in Indiana. See:
https://www.transportation.gov/regulations/procedure-moving- area-one-time-zone-another
15 USC 260 A http://timezonereport.com/?page_id=313 The bottom line here is that a state (or other political subdivision — see the Wayne County, KY reference below) can only: - Opt out of DST - If not opted out of DST, you must advance an hour starting on the second Sunday of March and ending on the first Sunday in November. - Petition the Secretary of the Department of Transportation and request a change of time zone designation. ----- I don't actually see permanent DST on that list. Atlantic Time seems (to me) to go well with Florida's brand. Regards Marshall
After reading some news, seems like a previous version of the act included a provision that would change the northwestern part of the state into Eastern timezone in addition to enforcing permanent DST which was met with fierce opposition and thus the provision have been passed now. As a result, if the proposal get through, that part of FL should also become a tz region of its own in the timezone database?
On 03/12/2018 12:01 AM, Phake Nick wrote:
As a result, if the proposal get through, that part of FL should also become a tz region of its own in the timezone database?
Yes, good point. If western Florida switches to permanent UTC-05 then it would get a separate Zone (presumably named America/Pensacola) as a companion to America/Miami.
If western Florida switches to permanent UTC-05 then it would get a separate Zone (presumably named America/Pensacola) as a companion to America/Miami.
Per... https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/1013/BillText/er/PDF ...it is the intent of the Legislature that daylight saving time shall be the year-round standard time of the entire state and all of its political subdivisions. (Seemingly resolving the matter of western Florida, but complicating the matter of whether the new time should be called daylight or standard.) Note also: "This act shall take effect July 1, 2018." @dashdashado On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:
On 03/12/2018 12:01 AM, Phake Nick wrote:
As a result, if the proposal get through, that part of FL should also become a tz region of its own in the timezone database?
Yes, good point. If western Florida switches to permanent UTC-05 then it would get a separate Zone (presumably named America/Pensacola) as a companion to America/Miami.
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