Re: [tz] Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel
With regard to the populations of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, there are two municipal entities: the Municipality of Jerusalem and the Municipality of Tel-Aviv-Jafo (note that Tel-Aviv and Jafo are one municipal entity so perhaps Asia/Tel_Aviv_Jafo would be a better way to express this alias to Asia/Jerusalem) -- see http://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/ There concepts Greater/Metro Jerusalem and Greater/Metro Tel-Aviv are literary and, perhaps, political concepts but do not represent any real municipal boundaries. The term "Greater Jerusalem" would include cities such as Bethlehem, Mevaseret Zion and perhaps the "E1" areas between Jerusalem and Ma'ale Adumin. So too "Greater Tel Aviv" would include the adjacent cities Givatayim, Ramat Gan, Bnei Brak and perhaps Petach Tikva. However, these concepts have no actual governing bodies and each of the adjacent cities have there own distinct and independent municipality. The Central Bureau of Statistics records the population of Jerusalem as 772,982 while the population of Tel-Aviv-Jafo is 403,738. The whole discussion of the de jure status of Jerusalem is disingenuous since the vast majority of the world countries de facto have regarded the west portion of Jerusalem not only as part of Israel but the seat of its government since February 1949. Foreign dignitaries and heads of state are received at government offices in western Jerusalem. Presidents Carter, Clinton and George W. Bush have addressed the Knesset directly as well as German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Moreover, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat addressed the Knesset in November 1977 _prior_ to the signing of the Camp David peace accords. All ambassadors to Israel present their credentials to Israel's President at the Presidential Residence in western Jerusalem. It is correct that most foreign officials avoiding meeting Israeli officials at offices in eastern Jerusalem although this rule too has its exceptions as in the case of Canada's Foreign Minister John Baird meeting with Israel's Justice Minister Tzipi Livni at her eastern Jerusalem office last month. I could bring a wealth of quotes that foreign officials have stated with regard to Jerusalem and western Jerusalem in particular over the years. However, I regards this forum as a professional forum for discussing timezone changes past, present and future as well as the maintenance of the timezone files themselves and the C code for the timezone software and, hence, view all discussions of a political nature as raising the noise/signal ration here. There are a plethora of forums for debating such issues for those who wish to do so. _____________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Phone/Fax number: +972-2-5494521
Revelation in jerusalem Shalom salamalekoum Let's give thanks and praises That was short after first Camp David, however. And i know have to say something -- from the bottom of my human heart i felt that the speech of the German President Johannes Rau in the Knesset was human. It seems not too many listened. --steffen
Ephraim Silverberg wrote:
With regard to the populations of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, there are two municipal entities: the Municipality of Jerusalem and the Municipality of Tel-Aviv-Jafo (note that Tel-Aviv and Jafo are one municipal entity so perhaps Asia/Tel_Aviv_Jafo would be a better way to express this alias to Asia/Jerusalem) -- see http://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/
There concepts Greater/Metro Jerusalem and Greater/Metro Tel-Aviv are literary and, perhaps, political concepts but do not represent any real municipal boundaries. Yet, those "Greater Area" are very probably the concepts which are relevant here, which is about the appreciation of which is the "most populous among locations in [the area]."
Perhaps the loosely-defined terms reflect the fact that this part of Theory was written in 1997 to fix in words a long-standing tradition, in a different context than today's: perhaps they reflect a bias toward the situation of USA, where a number of states have a relatively small city, like Sacramento, as official capital, when it is easier and much more common to identify the area with a bigger city, like Los Angeles, which is also where a bigger part of the TZ users will be actually living. But I am pretty sure the intent is not to stick with the "municipal limits" (whatever this may mean) to determine the name of the zones: the idea seems clearly to aim at the easiest-to-guess location, for example when you reach a new place and need to reconfigure (quickly) your system to show the correct clock. Antoine
[ Resent due to error in MUA operation; please discard previous. ] Ephraim Silverberg wrote:
With regard to the populations of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, there are two municipal entities: the Municipality of Jerusalem and the Municipality of Tel-Aviv-Jafo (note that Tel-Aviv and Jafo are one municipal entity so perhaps Asia/Tel_Aviv_Jafo would be a better way to express this alias to Asia/Jerusalem) -- see http://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/
There concepts Greater/Metro Jerusalem and Greater/Metro Tel-Aviv are literary and, perhaps, political concepts but do not represent any real municipal boundaries. Yet, those "Greater Area" are very probably the concepts which are relevant here, which is about the appreciation of which is the "most populous among locations in [the area]."
Perhaps the loosely-defined terms reflect the fact that this part of Theory was written in 1997 to fix in words a long-standing tradition, in a different context than today's: perhaps they reflect a bias toward the situation of USA, where a number of states have a relatively small city, like Sacramento, as official capital, when it is easier and much more common to identify the area with a bigger city, like Los Angeles, which is also where a bigger part of the TZ users will be actually living. But I am pretty sure the intent is not to stick with the "municipal limits" (whatever this may mean) to determine the name of the zones: the idea seems clearly to aim at the easiest-to-guess location, for example when you reach a new place and need to reconfigure (quickly) your system to show the correct clock. Antoine
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