Announcing changes with less than 2 weeks notice is the opposite of "to avoid confusion". If you have a chance please read this thread [1] and increase awareness within the Cabinet. [1] https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2023-March/032638.html On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 15:08, heba.hamad via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
Dear sir,
First of all, we thank you for your continuous cooperation as you know that the month of ramadan will begin after about ten days , and so to avoid confusion , the Palestinian cabinet decided to extend the work in winter time during the month of Ramadan and the Eid period .
We know very well that the announcement is too late and will cause some problems for companies , but we hope for your understanding and quick cooperation in issuing and publishing the 2023 release ,so that the international companies and our local companies can immediately start amending their systems in accordance with the new decision.
I will later send to you the new date exactly for the summer time change .
Note:Attached for your presence the decision of Palestinian Cabinet .
with respects ,
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 11:08, heba.hamad via tz <tz@iana.org> wrote:
We know very well that the announcement is too late and will cause some problems for companies
Thanks for the heads-up, and for acknowledging the difficulty here.
I will later send to you the new date exactly for the summer time change .
Please send along the exact transition time as soon as you have it available. Since Palestine still plans to implement the clock change, albeit on a delay, the notice as it exists is not reliably actionable on our end. Although we could guess a transition time, if we're wrong, that would impose downstream costs on software vendors around the world associated with updating and disseminating repeated tz releases. So it is far better for everyone if we can change this once and get it right the first time, but of course our existing predictions will be wrong in a little over 11 days (beginning on 25 March), so prompt clarification will be key. Less urgently, I note that our predicted March transition dates for 2024 and 2025 also fall within Ramadan. If similar actions are anticipated in those years, it would be helpful to have those dates decided within the next few months so we can have those disseminated in a less rushed fashion. -- Tim Parenti
On 3/13/23 08:39, Tim Parenti wrote:
our predicted March transition dates for 2024 and 2025 also fall within Ramadan.
Also the years 2035-2058, 2068-2087, etc., if I estimated correctly. When Ramadan occurs during midsummer, will there be four clock changes in the year? That is: spring forward in March, fall back before Ramadan, spring forward after Ramadan, fall back in October? The Palestinian government may want to ask the Moroccan government how Morocco estimates dates for Ramadan, as Morocco also moves the clocks back during Ramadan. Although we cannot predict Ramadan exactly, we can use a conservative algorithm to choose a Saturday known to occur before Ramadan, and a Saturday known to occur after, and use those dates for the clock changes. This is what we do for Morocco, as can be seen here: https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/1dd5133c04707a454e275032f6264b03f267638b/a...
On 3/13/23 08:39, Tim Parenti wrote:
our predicted March transition dates for 2024 and 2025 also fall within Ramadan. If similar actions are anticipated in those years, it would be helpful to have those dates decided within the next few months so we can have those disseminated in a less rushed fashion.
Yes. Unfortunately we still don't know the transition dates for even this spring. And since the current TZDB release will be wrong for Palestine in about eight days, we need to generate a new TZDB release quite soon. (We also need a new release for Egypt and Morocco.) To try to help move things along I installed the attached proposed patch into TZDB's developmental database. Although this patch makes predictions for Palestine that may very well be wrong, they are likely to be more accurate than the current release's predictions, so I hope they are a win. Something like this should appear in the next release, I suppose. To help proofread the patch, I also attach a file Gaza-predictions.txt containing the output of the shell command "zdump -V -c 2023,2087 Asia/Gaza" with the patch installed. It would be helpful if a representative of the Palestinian government would check these guesses soon, so that the next release can be accurate for Palestine. The Gaza-predictions file contains two lines for every predicted transition: one just before and one just after. Timestamps before the "=" are Coordinated Universal Time; timestamps after the "=" are local time.
On 2023-03-13 09:07, heba.hamad via tz wrote:
First of all, we thank you for your continuous cooperation as you know that the month of ramadan will begin after about ten days , and so to avoid confusion , the Palestinian cabinet decided to extend the work in winter time during the month of Ramadan and the Eid period .
We know very well that the announcement is too late and will cause some problems for companies , but we hope for your understanding and quick cooperation in issuing and publishing the 2023 release ,so that the international companies and our local companies can immediately start amending their systems in accordance with the new decision.
I will later send to you the new date exactly for the summer time change . Note:Attached for your presence the decision of Palestinian Cabinet .
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